Do "bloodlines" Mean Anything

[Jabooh1]

So there is one site where you can order offspring of different bloodlines. Would the colors be close to the male?

If not, why else would this be advertised?

 

[nick barta]

Typically the males will resemble the sire.

CHEERS!

Nick

 

[bobcochran]

Females donate 50% of the genetics to the offspring, her background is just as important as the sires. Problem being she doesn't show her dominate genetic makeup. So the best guess for her imput is her sire, because her dam isn't showing her imput either. Long term breeders have a better idea of what they're producing if they keep accurate records and pair their chameleons thoughtfully.

 

[bobcochran]

Females donate 50% of the genetics to the offspring, her background is just as important as the sires. Problem being she doesn't show her dominate genetic makeup. So the best guess for her imput is her sire, because her dam isn't showing her imput either. Long term breeders have a better idea of what they're producing if they keep accurate records and pair their chameleons thoughtfully.

Sorry, I didn't mention I was assuming we were talking about panther chameleons!

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

Getting a panther chameleon that will look the way you want it to look like as a adult (a color arrangement preference) is very important to some people! When a breeder brag about their specific bloodlines they are trying to convince you that you will get a chameleon that will look like the father (sire) of the baby despite for the fact that it is mostly brown and looks nothing like the father when you pick it out and when it arrives at your home! Genetics is fabulously complex though! Disappointment is emmanent when one is not open to change when you buy a chameleon! Honestly, these guys do have the capability to change color!

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

In short, exactly what Bob Cochran said!

 

[jannb]

Here's the blood line in my veileds.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/thr...iled-babies-looking-for-forever-homes.130923/

Here's Luie and Camille's grandson Spike: https://www.chameleonforums.com/media/spike-3-and-a-half-yrs-old-216-grams-7-6-15-001.30903/

Here's Spike's daughter Lottie: https://www.chameleonforums.com/media/lottie-5-months-old-80-grams-9-21-14-187.28919/

Here's two of Spike's sons Amos and Andy: https://www.chameleonforums.com/media/amos-just-shy-of-2-yrs-old-192-grams-4-3-16.42596/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/media/andy-18-months-old-153-grams-10-11-15-099.31534/

 

[NHenn]

As others said the sire and dam will both give 50/50 for the traits but the hope is that the babies will turn out similar to the parents so that is why these pictures are typically given. We always show pictures of the sire as well as the dam's sire so that one can get a feel for the colors in their lineage. Also, if someone is looking to breed in the future they will need this information to make sure they are not breeding chameleons that are directly related.

 

[jajeanpierre]

I have a different concern about "bloodlines" than the OP and others who responded have. While I believe the OP was asking about the likelihood that the baby they bought would look like the sire, I worry about the genetic diversity of captive-bred chameleons.

As more countries are shut down from exporting by CITES, there will be less and less new genetics available. Just looking at the species I am most interested in, Trioceros quadricornis gracilior, it is my understanding that Europe only has two bloodlines for the species. Europe has banned the import of the species and the nominate species T.q.quadricornis from Africa even with the proper export paperwork. I foresee PETA-type organizations pushing US Fish and Wildlife to institute a similar ban.

Currently wild-caught birds cannot be imported (Wild Bird Conservation Act). There are moves to put more and more animals on the Endangered Species list (Endangered Species Act), which will make it difficult or impossible to move or sell those animals across state lines (that's US state lines, not international borders). There is an attack on our hobby happening now with the demand for more and more regulations covering "exotics." Food for thought.