crossing of red and blue-barred ambilobe panther

[cypho23]

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but was unsure how to search for it specifically. More curious than anything. Just a random thought I had and am always wanting to learn more about my chameleons.

Are there any reasons to not cross a red-barred with a blue-barred ambilobe panther? Has anyone done it? What results are seen? I am assuming it's not considered a locality cross or hybrid, correct?

Thanks.

 

[cushcameleon]

Try 25% red-barred ambiliobe, 15% blue-barred ambilobe, 10% nosey be and 50% sambava. That is a typical example of some of the many panther cross babies that can be found. Check out chameleonsonly.com they are a site sponsor and some of the chameleons they sell are known as "panther morphs". Since panther chameleons are the same species, it is possible to breed them. I know LLL reptile also sells panther morphs. If your looking for unique coloration, definitely go with a morph (which is what I plan on getting next fall). Generally if you are looking to breed, I have heard it is best to use with a full-blood panther.

 

[cypho23]

I have no desire to obtain a locality cross or hybrid, but am just curious if it's considered such when a red-bar and blue-bar ambilobe are crossed.

 

[SoCaliSon]

I think Jared(CainsChams) did this with DH and Fireball...

 

[cypho23]

I have pairs of blue-bar ambilobe and nosy be that I hope to breed when mature.

Seems that there are lots of gorgeous hybrid animals, but not my cup-of-tea at this time.

 

[cushcameleon]

I have only heard them referred to as "morphs". But are asking wether or not the crosses have the ability to breed, the answer is yes.

 

[SoCaliSon]

Since they are both Ambilobe... The offspring would still be considered Ambilobe... So not a locality cross..or hybrid...or morph..or whatever you want to call it. The fact that they are both labeled "Ambilobe" means that they were shipped, and most likely collected from the same general area around Ambilobe in Madagascar. Meaning that there would be nothing preventing a Red Bar from mating with a Blue in the wild... therefore any ambilobe that comes in, could already be an offspring of a Red/Blue Bar mating... we just don't know.

 

[Fearaffect]

Try 25% red-barred ambiliobe, 15% blue-barred ambilobe, 10% nosey be and 50% sambava. That is a typical example of some of the many panther cross babies that can be found. Check out chameleonsonly.com they are a site sponsor and some of the chameleons they sell are known as "panther morphs". Since panther chameleons are the same species, it is possible to breed them. I know LLL reptile also sells panther morphs. If your looking for unique coloration, definitely go with a morph (which is what I plan on getting next fall). Generally if you are looking to breed, I have heard it is best to use with a full-blood panther.

I have a cross from "ODO" from Kammerflage 50% Sambava x 25% Ambilobe x 25% Nosy Be.....should give me some nice babies when I breed her to "Satoky" 50% Ambilobe x 50% Nosy Be from ChamCareTaker.
The rest of my collection are pure locales.

 

[Cainschams]

I think Jared(CainsChams) did this with DH and Fireball...

Yes I did The results have been redbars, bluebars, and mixed bars If I have time later I will try and dig up all the pics from people with the D.H. and Mrs. Fireball offspring.

 

[warpdrive]

I have a cross from "ODO" from Kammerflage 50% Sambava x 25% Ambilobe x 25% Nosy Be.....should give me some nice babies when I breed her to "Satoky" 50% Ambilobe x 50% Nosy Be from ChamCareTaker.
The rest of my collection are pure locales.

I also have a cross from Odo for the past two months now.
although I have my doughts that my boy came from him.

check my guy out....
https://www.chameleonforums.com/splats-3rd-shed-25511/

Harry

 

[Malicious]

Since they are both Ambilobe... The offspring would still be considered Ambilobe... So not a locality cross..or hybrid...or morph..or whatever you want to call it. The fact that they are both labeled "Ambilobe" means that they were shipped, and most likely collected from the same general area around Ambilobe in Madagascar. Meaning that there would be nothing preventing a Red Bar from mating with a Blue in the wild... therefore any ambilobe that comes in, could already be an offspring of a Red/Blue Bar mating... we just don't know.

Thats a good point. I'm sure if some Nosy Be's were brought back to the main land they would mate with others aswell. I'm sure this has happen at some point. It would just get diluted out over time.

-Jay

 

[chequepoint]

I think you're all missing the point. This isn't about local crosses, its about crossing two ambilobes. The answer is, I'm sure it happens all the time. As clutches of ambilobes can easily produce red and blue bars, knowing the genetic makeup of the female is impossible to tell. The real breeders here import wild caught males and females to diversify their bloodlines, and who knows if those females are carrying primarily red or blue bar genetic information. That is one of the quirks of the ambilobe locale, it shows some of the widest color variation.

 

[SoCaliSon]

I think you're all missing the point. This isn't about local crosses, its about crossing two ambilobes. The answer is, I'm sure it happens all the time. As clutches of ambilobes can easily produce red and blue bars, knowing the genetic makeup of the female is impossible to tell. The real breeders here import wild caught males and females to diversify their bloodlines, and who knows if those females are carrying primarily red or blue bar genetic information. That is one of the quirks of the ambilobe locale, it shows some of the widest color variation.

I said "Since they are both Ambilobe... The offspring would still be considered Ambilobe... So not a locality cross..or hybrid...or morph..or whatever you want to call it."

I agree with you... but I don't see how I was missing the point? Wouldn't our posts be along the same sort of lines?

 

[chequepoint]

Sorry that was directed at the well I have a bla bla X bla bla cross and its great posts. I also wrote it, and didn't hit send for a few hours.. ha ha..

 

[GooglezNvincent]

So if you have a RB female and a BB male ambilobe, is it possible that some from the clutch will be RB and others will be BB or all will be the same kind?

 

[chequepoint]

So if you have a RB female and a BB male ambilobe, is it possible that some from the clutch will be RB and others will be BB or all will be the same kind?

First of all, you never know if you have a RB female.
Second, some may be RB, some may be BB, some may be Red and Blue Bar, some may start red bar and end up blue bar, etc.

Say you breed what you think to be two BB ambilobes together, and out of all the boys, 2 of them pop out with red bars... there is just as much of a statistical chance that some of those girls are the same way but you can't see it.