Cham. measurements?

[Karliah]

How are chams usually measured?
For example, lets say "x" species usually reaches "about 2 feet"...
Is that with the tail uncurled? Curled? Or just body length without tail included (like nose to vent)? Or some other way?
Because 2 feet with tail uncurled is much smaller than 2 feet nose to vent.

 

[Lathis]

Because 2 feet with tail uncurled is much smaller than 2 feet nose to vent.

Absolutely. A huge difference.

I would say that nose-to-vent is the more "useful" dimension. Most of the time here, the more experienced keepers will assume this when giving dimensions or asking for them in relation to age or size. Nose-to-tail is a good measure for determining minimum cage needs. For larger species, nose-to-tail measurements are always impressive, so you may see statements like "male veileds can get to 24 inches long" that mean nose-to-tail.

 

[Karliah]

Absolutely. A huge difference.

I would say that nose-to-vent is the more "useful" dimension. Most of the time here, the more experienced keepers will assume this when giving dimensions or asking for them in relation to age or size. Nose-to-tail is a good measure for determining minimum cage needs. For larger species, nose-to-tail measurements are always impressive, so you may see statements like "male veileds can get to 24 inches long" that mean nose-to-tail.

So in reference to veileds, what would you say the average nose to vent length is? Because my only real reason for not wanting to keep them was because of length, but when I got to thinking about it I realized that was probably at least half (or more) just tail. But I still don't want to have too small an enclosure if I did change my mind about keeping one.

 

[alphakenc]

So in reference to veileds, what would you say the average nose to vent length is? Because my only real reason for not wanting to keep them was because of length, but when I got to thinking about it I realized that was probably at least half (or more) just tail. But I still don't want to have too small an enclosure if I did change my mind about keeping one.

That depends if u want a male or female....Biggie small....

 

[Lathis]

Big male can be 12" in body or more maybe, a female maybe 8" on average - maybe some people with veileds can jump in here. I could consider their space needs to be large. Regardless, unless you end up with a large male a 2x2x4 cage would be fine. Panthers and Jackson's would also be fine in a 2x2x4.

Have you considered a significantly smaller cham like a carpet chameleon? You might even keep your eye out for a CB Senegal or graceful. Not sure what you have your heart set on, but there are options. They just might be more uncommon, and I would definitely wait to find a confirmed captive born animal instead of a wild caught.

Have you considered pygmies? They are not your typical chameleons but are absolutely dolls.

 

[Karliah]

Big male can be 12" in body or more maybe, a female maybe 8" on average - maybe some people with veileds can jump in here. I could consider their space needs to be large. Regardless, unless you end up with a large male a 2x2x4 cage would be fine. Panthers and Jackson's would also be fine in a 2x2x4.

Have you considered a significantly smaller cham like a carpet chameleon? You might even keep your eye out for a CB Senegal or graceful. Not sure what you have your heart set on, but there are options. They just might be more uncommon, and I would definitely wait to find a confirmed captive born animal instead of a wild caught.

Have you considered pygmies? They are not your typical chameleons but are absolutely dolls.

I was planning on a male flap neck, and maybe a female for him in the future. Unless I came across a hoehnelii for sale, that's what I truly want, but can't seem to find. So unless I got one of those I'll be getting a male flap neck.
I was just hoping maybe the veiled would work out for me size wise. There is almost always one or two for sale in my small town, but never any other species.
I try to not have animals shipped in if at all possible, but it's usually what I have to do (for my salt water aquariums)

 

[alphakenc]

Mmm Pygmy is like a cute little pony,Trioceros hoehnelii is more like a Stallion with a tiny little bump wishing to become a unicorn....decision....decision

 

[Pygmy chameleon]

Mmm Pygmy is like a cute little pony,Trioceros hoehnelii is more like a Stallion with a tiny little bump wishing to become a unicorn....decision....decision

Hey alphakenc what you doing here?

 

[alphakenc]

Hi Pygmy,nothing much,just trying to do some measurement thats all,please look up(the thread) so u can give ur opinions too

 

[alphakenc]

So 1inch=2.54cm,8inches=20.32cm,12inches=30.48cm gee those veiled can really grow