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  1. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    My goal was not to have people side with me, although I appreciate the support. My goal was simply to engage in conversation about a topic that interests me and that was lacking any scientific evidence in the discussion. Gutloading is the approved term through multiple peer reviewed sources over...
  2. ferretinmyshoes

    Front of both eyes are swollen on new veiled chameleon given to me. Photo provided.

    Inflammation of the turret conjunctiva can be caused by a piece of shed in the turret or other foreign material such a particulate matter from vines, sap from plants, or substrate, or an early respiratory infection. Hypovitaminosis A can also be at work given that it’s both eyes affected as it...
  3. ferretinmyshoes

    Front of both eyes are swollen on new veiled chameleon given to me. Photo provided.

    It can but doesn’t always. About 50/50 on being bilateral vs single side. I’ve seen lots either way.
  4. ferretinmyshoes

    Front of both eyes are swollen on new veiled chameleon given to me. Photo provided.

    When the swelling of the conjunctival pocket at the front of the turret is bulging like that it usually needs to be flushed out as they can develop “pearls” of debris or infection there. They need to flushed out or manually removed. Here you can see the debris I removed out of a swelling that...
  5. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    A slight exaggeration. I’ll be apologizing for “lying and providing wrong info” when you do sir.
  6. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Petr you really are something else. You say you've had enough and that you are leaving on a near daily basis. See you next time!
  7. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Petr no one is mistreating you. You struck out to have a debate and a discussion about this on a public forum. So I came to this discussion armed with evidence to support my argument, as everyone should do in a debate like this. I never insulted or belittled you or called you out on your...
  8. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    This is exactly my point.
  9. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    And no, I will not be apologizing for simply disagreeing with you and providing evidence that supports my argument.
  10. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    That’s quite simply just your interpretation based on the literal meaning of the two words. But the explanation that immediately follows disproves that. So you’re arguing over a misinterpretation really.
  11. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Please show me exactly where it says that it is the undigested food in the intestines that is beneficial. In fact I believe it says it is the process of feeding insects...which would imply digestion occurs. Sounds a lot like what you want it to say.
  12. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    At the time the resource was created it was very popular based on a prominent forum member’s gutloading research and recommendations based on some of the vitamins and trace minerals provided by those ingredients. Since then I’ve excluded it from my gutloading resources I give to pet owners. The...
  13. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    You forced a consensus by using a blatantly false narrative from your first statement that there was no science to back it up. All those papers discuss feeding high quality foods to improve nutritional value of invertebrates to vertebrates to consume them and called it gutloading. Sorry to have...
  14. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Gutloading to me means that a feeder has ingested food for long enough to digest it so the nutrients are present not only in the digestive tract but also in the bloodstream. Which is why there is a time stipulated for gutloading to be successful after offering food to the feeders. Do you...
  15. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    You love to throw anyone under the bus for disagreeing with you. Your very first statement on this thread was a lie by your own standards when you say “there’s no science” and I list 24 scientific papers in my first response. Get over yourself. Dose is the poison. Those are not recommended as...
  16. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Unfortunately we cannot. The industry standard term is “gutloading”. It is what everyone knows and even though some people do not have enough familiarity with it. We can’t just decide one day to change the term used and expect that to change across the board in reptile keeping. Chameleon Forums...
  17. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Arguing that it’s “gutloading” vs “feeding” is semantics and doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things. If it improves nutritional content and the chameleon benefits that’s the only part that matters.
  18. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    Ah yes, here's some more: Allen, M.E. 1997. From blackbirds and thrushes… to the gut-loaded cricket: a new approach to zoo animal nutrition. Br J Nutr 78:S135-S143. Allen ME, Oftedal OT. 1982. Calcium and phosphorus levels in live prey. In AAZPA 1982 Northeastern Regional Proceedings. Toronto...
  19. ferretinmyshoes

    Gut loading frenzy

    There is sure is a lot of conjecture and heavy handed statements without any scientific backing on this thread. Let me help with that. They do actually. AN OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND EVALUATION OF A GUTLOADING DIET FOR FEEDER CRICKETS FORMULATED TO PROVIDE A BALANCED NUTRIENT SOURCE FOR...
  20. ferretinmyshoes

    Panther with puffy eyes?

    This is not caused by obesity in this case but by inflammation of the turret conjunctiva. This can be caused by a piece of shed in the turret or other foreign material such a particulate matter from vines, sap from plants, or substrate, or an early respiratory infection. Hypovitaminosis A can...
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