Chamaeleo xenorhinus???

Hey everyone,

I was surfing the net and I came across this.

Is this a real species?

I looked on ADcham, and found no information.

Thanks,

Adam

Sorry,

Here's some pictures:

I only know i want it

adamkwas said:

Hey everyone,

I was surfing the net and I came across this.

Is this a real species?

I looked on ADcham, and found no information.

Thanks,

Adam

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not to say that it doesn't exist , however, i have spent literally thousands of hrs googling chams and have never heard of the genus even once ,so i am going to hold onto my skepticism and say not everything you see on the web ,is as it is claimed to be.so until we hear from somebody who actually knows i am going to cry photoshop , or maybe even some joker with a cool melt glue gun , it looks like a veiled to me, i know of a jacksons breeding experiment where the breeder had better sucess with a horned female so he glued a prostetic horn on an unhorned female , and claimed it made a difference. if i had a veiled , i would have broken out the glue gun and camera to see who would fall for it. there is very little that is not on the web , i cant believe that if it really existed, at least a couple of results wouldnt come up when googled

reminds me of a veiled mixed with a hoenelii

Just found this
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/bxenorhinum.html

I think you got the genus incorrect...It looks like it's real....

http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/bxenorhinum.html

Luis

It's Kinyongia xenorhina now.

Its common name is apt! Looks odd, fascinating though. I wonder what purpous the nose thing serves?

"Any discussion of the husbandry requirements of Bradypodion xenorhinum must be prefaced by the warning that this species simply may not be well suited to captivity. Most specimens that have been through the import/export process have died. That is the bottom line. Their captive husbandry should be attempted by none but those few keepers with vast experience in chameleon (not merely reptile) husbandry"...and..."Most people experience the "drop dead overnight" problem."...
http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=31

This is very intresting! Does anyone know what their micro climate is like?

Hydration and humidity are best served by using a room humidifier and by a few sprayings per day. Because of the risk of respiratory infections, the keeper should avoid aiming an ultrasonic humidifier directly at the cage. In addition to being misted several times per day, each animal should also have a dripper that runs for most of the day. Eight hours per day is recommended and the animals will frequently be seen moving in and out of the water. This also permits the animal to better thermoregulate.

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I wonder if the use of dripping water to aid thermoregulation is an enviromental adaption? Could be that odd nose has something to do with humid/dry air?

This is alo intresting....

Recent imports are extremely finicky eaters but they may be coaxed to eat by gut loading houseflies with bee pollen so that they have yellow bellies, and coating tiny crickets with spirulina so that they have a green cast.

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Knowing Homers fondness for green bugs, im tempted to try that with his crickets, see what happens!
I also find the bit about them possibly being nocturnal/or highly crepuscular most curious. I suppose its quite possible, nature surprises us!

Any thoughts?

The picture posted is NOT Kinyongia xenorhina. That is the VERY rare K. carpenteri! I seriously doubt any of these will ever make it into U.S. collections. At least, I've never heard of them in the last 18 years.

j walker said:

not to say that it doesn't exist , however, i have spent literally thousands of hrs googling chams and have never heard of the genus even once

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Yikes, never came across Kinyongia during thousands of hours of research?

Kent is correct. Here are a few shots of K. xenorhina I had the fortune of snapping a little over a year ago or so:









Cheers,

Fabián

Gorgeous shots, Fabián ! How long did you have kept them ?

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Gorgeous shots, Fabián ! How long did you have kept them ?

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Hey Benny,

I had a chance to buy them but there were only two males available at the time and, knowing how delicate they are, I didn't want to risk it.

Beautiful animals, indeed.

Fabián

Beautiful pics Fabián!!!! What other species are you hiding in you picture collection????

It sure would be nice if the species came in a little more often, and with (more) females. I'm not sure that I would agree with them being delicate but rather the infrequent imports are so abused during the export/import process that, as they're almost always adults, they fail to acclimate and/or have kidney failure waiting to happen. Some years ago I was able to acquire a "good" pair that, after the first kind of scary months, acclimated well. The male started getting skinny so I decided to give him a couple rounds of Flagyl and fenbendezole. I think I had the male close to 3 years. I kept them seperately for a year before letting them live together in hopes some breeding would happen. I never saw any courtship nor color or size changes in the female. Unfortunately, she dropped a small clutch on the floor of her cage a couple months later and by the time I found them, only one was not dessicated. That egg incubated for quite a while (5 months maybe?) during which time I heard that the late Juergen Pietschmann had hatched them recently, I think the first. Unfortunately, my egg died and upon disection I found a little developing embryo. I was sooooo bummed but I'd love the chance to try again. I'd also love to try that Carpenter's chameleon, too. MMmmmm

As has already been pointed out, this is a male Kinyongia carpenteri. This is a species you hardly ever see photos of. They come from very high elevation where snow is known to fall over night. I had heard that a couple managed to make it to Europe a number of years ago but that they did very poorly. My understanding is that in bringing them down the mountains to be exported, they were not able to keep the temperatures cool enough and most died before export with the rest dieing shortly after they made it to Europe. Here are a couple other photos:
http://www.johanmarais.co.za/images/Uganda05.jpg
http://www.johanmarais.co.za/LizardsChameleons/bradypodioncarpeneri.jpg

Kent67 said:

I'm not sure that I would agree with them being delicate but rather the infrequent imports are so abused during the export/import process that, as they're almost always adults, they fail to acclimate and/or have kidney failure waiting to happen.

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Based on my experience with K. xenorhina, I would agree. They have definite requirements that must be met in order to keep them but if healthy upon importation, if those requirements are met, they seemed to do alright.

j walker said:

not to say that it doesn't exist , however, i have spent literally thousands of hrs googling chams and have never heard of the genus even once ,so i am going to hold onto my skepticism and say not everything you see on the web ,is as it is claimed to be.

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For what its worth, there are over 180 different chameleon species and I doubt you have heard of most of them and I doubt you've seen photos of many.

Chris