Types of panthers

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jewel, Mar 5, 2007.

  1. Jewel

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    Ok this is a really stupid question but I am confused, which doesn't take much some days. There are so many different types of panthers, example: Nosy Be, Ambanja, Maroansetra etc. Ok now what confuses me do they get their name from the colour they are, type they are or where they are from. The more I read the more confused I get. Also can you breed two different kinds of panthers together or do they have to be the same example do you have to breed a nosy be with a nosy be and a ambanja with a ambanja or can you breed a nosy be with a ambanja.
     
  2. Tighe

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    They get it from the city that they are in or close too.
     
  3. kinyonga

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  4. Heika

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  5. Brian S

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    Jenna's standpont is what i believe. Not only are these animals miracles of nature themselves (eyes, tounge, body shape, color, and hands/feet) but how widely yet consistently they very, because of their location, is a miracle in and of itself.

    This may sound odd, but think about it. You have bright blue Nosy Be's, yet at the other end of the specturm you have pink Ankarmy. They posess the SAME genetic make up, but Every Single Ankarmy is pink, and EVERY SINGLE Nosy Be is blue. The variations are great, but they are consistant. And that is a true marvel of nature.
     
  6. Heika

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    Actually, blue chameleons from the Nose Be region are considered to be an occasional polymorph in wild populations. The more common color is green with blue/dark green barring, striped red eye turrets when displaying, and a portion of the white around the mouth in yellow where the jaws meet. A lot of them have red flecking on their bodies as well.
     
  7. Jewel

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    Wow, very interesting links. Ok now I understand where they get their name from and what is meant by "pure". The only reason I asked about cross breeding them is because I have seen several for sale that are cross breed and I didn't know if this was normal or proper breeding. Now I see what harm it can do. Thank you for the help.
     
  8. Prism Chameleons

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  9. Brian S

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    Jenna did you ever get my e-mail with the pics in it? I'm getting the feeling that it didn't work out right. I'll re-send it.
     
  10. Jewel

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    Your site is very informative Jenna, thanks for the link.
    I thought chameleons also came from Hawaii.
     
  11. Will Hayward

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  12. Prism Chameleons

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    You are welcome Jewel and thanks for the compliment! I still have much more information to add, but time just slips away from me with taking care of my chameleons. Some day soon I hope to have a lot more information on my website.

    If you have any other questions regarding panthers, please just let me know and shoot me an email. I will be happy to help :) .
     
  13. ydktdborg

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    prism i just read loads of info of your site, i just brought 2 panthers and that has answered most of my questions! Thanks
     
  14. Prism Chameleons

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    You're welcome! I'm happy to have been some help and provided you with more information to make you and your new chameleons have a happy and safe home!

    Congratulations on your new additions!
     
  15. Kent67

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    Great thread but I've got to play devil's advocate. Not that I specifically like or endorse crossing localities BUT when humans choose which animals are put together to breed (halfway around the world) it is no longer "natural" because neither animal is choosing their mate. If two different locale panthers still recognize each other as potential mates, how can that be against what nature intended? I believe that chameleon owners can do whatever they want with their animals, so long as mixed locality babies are not misrepresented and sold as pure.
    I'm awfully confused by the idea that breeding two panthers from different localities is somehow polluting the gene pool. If anything at all, it is making the gene pool more diverse. Pardalis is very variable because of its large range. There are not boundaries where one locale phenotype suddenly changes to another but instead there are intergrades between them. Homo sapiens sapiens is also a wide ranging species with more phenotypic differences than F. pardalis. So, is it also wrong that humans mate with different "localities?" Does that make us sterile? Does it increase or decrease genetic diversity?
    Also, the argument that we need to take panther chameleons out of the wild, never returning any to Madagascar, in order to protect them doesn't hold much water. Pardalis is an extremely adaptable species which can be found in backyards, agricultural fields, and other disturbed habitats. The only real threat to its existence in the wild is over-exploitation by the pet trade (i.e. pre-1995 quotas.)
    For the record, I once bred an Ambanja male to a female that was sold to me as Ambanja which I doubt she actually was. One of the males that I kept from the clutch lived to be 18 inches long and 7.5 years old. I only bred him a couple times, but he was definitely not sterile. Also, the first panthers I ever produced back in the early 90's were from a Nosy Be X probably east coast somewhere. The first two clutches had 100% hatch and survive. Weak hatchlings? No. In a later clutch they had two sets of twins but none of the twins survived more than a couple weeks. The rest of the babies did, though.
     
  16. Will Hayward

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    Hairfarm, I don't think anyone is doubting that crosses of the first couple generations will be flawless is appearance and behavior wise, but there has been some findings that further generations down the mixed lines are creating instable fertility in both sexes.

    Unfortunately, some people will tell a thousand lies to make a buck and those that do intend to work with specific colour morphs will always be poisoned by those numerous breeders.
     
  17. Kent67

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