Need help identifying locales on these panthers

Hi guys it has been a while since I was actively involved here. I was unable to keep these cuties until now again.

And as I have informed some of you years ago, unfortunately, there is no clear distinction of locales since the damn and sire are not properly identified here where I live.

With that in mind i need your help identifying these panthers. I can only guess the brighter one on the second pic to be Blue Bar Ambilobe. I am not sure if it is correct. It was similar to my Brandon from years ago.

I am not familiar with the first one but is the bar showing U bar like that of Sambava?

Thanks for the help guys.

It is really hard to tell for sure at this age but I would guess they are all ambilobe. I don't see anything that stands out as a different local.

NHenn said:

It is really hard to tell for sure at this age but I would guess they are all ambilobe. I don't see anything that stands out as a different local.

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Thank you for your insight. Is that pretty common coloration of baby Ambilobe on the first image? It all looks so green and dark bar. It is very difficult to not knowing what it will turn into, although all will look pretty.

pepezkakap said:

Thank you for your insight. Is that pretty common coloration of baby Ambilobe on the first image? It all looks so green and dark bar. It is very difficult to not knowing what it will turn into, although all will look pretty.

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There are some Ambilobe and Sambava that I have worked with that have changed bar colors at maturity. I have had Sambava with blue bars turn red, and Ambilobe with red to blue, vice-versa. It is impossible to tell what a cham would look like at this age. BTW they all look Ambilobe to me.