Panther cham not eating

HarleyGirl

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Stats: Picasso is a 4 yr old (his birthday is Feb. 1, so he's almost 4) panther chameleon. This week, I have had some major furnace issues, so the humidity level in our home dropped. I tried to place a humidifier beside his cage, but for about 5 days now, I have not been able to get the humidity above 50 or 60% at the most. How can I increase humidity?
His temp.s have remained unaffected at between coolest area 75 - 85

He's in a room on his own...small room, and the warmest one in the house. It's been fine up until now, but can that be why he has lost weight and is not eating?

His cheeks have sunken in a bit from his weight loss, he's not totally weak, but he is a bit weaker, and his arms look skinnier. He usually loves butter worms as a treat but he has only eaten maybe 2 in about 4 days now. The vet told me that as they get older, they eat less, but that much less? It seems like his not eating is causing him to lose weight, isn't that a bit dramatic? He has been picky eating for about a week or at the most 10 days now...where he won't eat for a few days and then maybe eats one thing --cricket or butter worm.

In the pics, you will see a bit of a mark on his mouth...that has been checked by the vet, and it's fine. He seems to be rubbing his mouth somewhere, so I just have to keep cleaning it. He doesn't have parasites based on his fecal and the vet also said there's no mouth rot. She just told me to keep an eye on his habits, but I'm scared b/c this morning he was darker in colour and his eyes looked half shut but now that I moved him to a different part of his branch, he looks fine...more alert and lighter in colour. I caught him closing his eyes once or twice during the day, but that's it. His eyes look fine, other than the fact that I would like to see them bulge out a bit more than what they are now.

Also, on a side note: is it true too much calcium is not good for them either? I dust the crickets and worms when I feed them to him, but not every time. Usually every other feeding, which lately has been every other week, by the time he finishes what's in his cage.
 
here are the pics....

i also noticed something white on his butt. Is it a sperm plug? I can't get a good pic. but if something is stuck can that be bothering him and affecting him to lose weight?
 

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Vet ASAP. Try force feeding and water until you can get him to the vet.

he does drink from the spray bottle. he just drank a lot yesterday. does anyone know why this came about? why the weight loss/not eating?
i feel helpless...i raised him since he was 4 weeks old and i never had major problems. i don't want to lose my little guy.
 
yeah this cham is extreamly dehydrated ( notice his sunken eyes and his dull color and the skin looks unhealthy) he looks over heated. he needs a vet asap. and forced watering (unless hes traking it) your best bet is sarringe watering....a needeles one of course....chams can go without food for a good 2 weeks before death ....they can not go without water.so get the water issue done fast because they go down hill fast . my prayers are with him....a vet visit will get you your answers...but all we can tell from here is that hes frail and dehydraited
 
I also agree a vet visit is in order. A healthy chameleon can go for a month or more without eating, but if he has only recently stopped eating and is loosing weight quickly it suggests that something is very wrong. Weight loss is usually the first sign that something is wrong in animals that are good at hiding symptoms.
 
yeah this cham is extreamly dehydrated ( notice his sunken eyes and his dull color and the skin looks unhealthy) he looks over heated. he needs a vet asap. and forced watering (unless hes traking it) your best bet is sarringe watering....a needeles one of course....chams can go without food for a good 2 weeks before death ....they can not go without water.so get the water issue done fast because they go down hill fast . my prayers are with him....a vet visit will get you your answers...but all we can tell from here is that hes frail and dehydraited
thanks...the good news is he drank a lot yesterday. now i have to get him to drink more today! any idea why he's overheated? maybe that's why he wanted to cool off lower in the cage?
the vet is taking him tom. at 4:30..they don't have any earlier...is that going to be too late? it's weird because he just showed these signs in like a 1.5 - 2 week period...that's very quick!

Should i force feed also? or just get him to drink?
 
id say skip the force feed for now ....get him to drink. also how hot are your basking bulbs...whats there wattage...higher watage = a higher heat output? basking for a male panther should be about 87-88 degrees....you dont really wanan get over 90...and ambaint should be about 75. i cant tell you why he went down so fast ...WHATS your supplement scedual and products consist of?
 
I would not force feed. The only way that I would try to feed him is to get him to hiss and drop a bug or two in his mouth.

Your temps dont sound like he's over heating. If you can, I'd try to get him in sooner.
 
The problem is that this is a chameleon. I just talk from my experience, I've seen too many chameleons right before their death. I can recommend one thing, don't waste money at the vet. He definitly can't help him anymore, maybe he gives him a NaCl-injection but this will probably just help for another week.

It's really bad when a chameleon ends up this way after you have kept it for so long. But just because he's CB doesn't mean that he will live 7 years. I think 3-5 years are the average for CB pardalis. 7 years are the exceptions
 
try showering him if he will still take water by himself. but be very close just in case he cant hold himself up. try feeding silkworms or hornworms to rehydrate him
 
If he were mine I'd call the vet back and tell them it's an emergency and beg them to please see him today.
 
yeah duhh! shower i completely forgot sorry for my brain dumbneess! showering will of course help...place a safe house plant(or fake one) in the shower and have the water hit the walll oposite of it so the droplets bounce off the wall and hit the plant....he should then drink...but never leave him unsupervised.and dont let the water be to hot or to cold. give him 20-25 mins in shower and place him back in his cage to warm up . if he doesent drink that way or by misting then saringe force water him. if he does start eating.....hornworms and silkies rehydrate well. jnnab is completely right also...emergency it is. chameleons get sick and they head down FAST!
 
id say skip the force feed for now ....get him to drink. also how hot are your basking bulbs...whats there wattage...higher watage = a higher heat output? basking for a male panther should be about 87-88 degrees....you dont really wanan get over 90...and ambaint should be about 75. i cant tell you why he went down so fast ...WHATS your supplement scedual and products consist of?

it's just weird bc i have a habba mister PLUS i always bottle spray him...so he usually drinks almost every day or every other day from the bottle plus what he's drinking on the leaves from the mister.
supplements are rep-cal the pink jar to powder the food with...he eats a variety of crickets, sometimes silks, butterworms, and when I can get my hands on them tomato horned worms. I brush the food about twice a week.
I have been raising him the same way for years, and never had signs of dehydration in the past...why now?
The only thing that has happened that's different is he was being treated about a month ago from rubbing his hand against the cage. It got swollen and he was on novotrimel for about a month to get rid of infection and the swelling went down. After that he was fine for about 3 or 4 weeks and now this just happened...sudden weight loss.

In terms of temp. yes those are my temps. i use a sunglow 50W daylight for basking and i switch his 15w reptiglow 5.0 uvb light every 6 months. His cage is about 26" tallx24" wide x 14" deep...i was thinking of getting one a bit bigger, but should i do that now or wait until he's better?

it looks like he's going to eat a butter worm right now...he's leaning into the food container...
 
The problem is that this is a chameleon. I just talk from my experience, I've seen too many chameleons right before their death. I can recommend one thing, don't waste money at the vet. He definitly can't help him anymore, maybe he gives him a NaCl-injection but this will probably just help for another week.

It's really bad when a chameleon ends up this way after you have kept it for so long. But just because he's CB doesn't mean that he will live 7 years. I think 3-5 years are the average for CB pardalis. 7 years are the exceptions

so did i do anything wrong? or is it just him time? i feel like it's my fault...
 
It's probably a case of problems with the inner organs. Nothing what a vet can heal.
I first thought that the water supply wasn't good enough, but after I read your last post I'm sure that this is not the problem. Your diet seems to be as well not bad. But I can imagine that quantity of the food was too much.
@Jann: I don't know how many vets are there in the USA but here it's pretty hard to get one who has any knowledge about reptiles and amphibians. And even if she can find one I can't imagine that the vet could do here anything
 
I don't think that you've done anything wrong. I love chameleons and from looking at your pictures of Picasso, I am very worried about him.
 
yeah i agree...internal issue here probrably...im sorry...but...you can always fill that cage again...alwasy rember that....you gave him a good life...just prepare.
 
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