Thanks When your really into chams sometimes you loose some but learning is what its all about .
thanks again

Hi Kevin,

So sorry to hear that your veiled is sick. Is there an emergency vet in the area that can see him? It sounds very bad.

Hope he pulls through.. he really is the most stunning veiled I have ever seen.

Heika

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Howdy Kevin,

Post those photos...

If you still have the prolapse issue and haven't already done so, try putting K-Y jelly on any exposed internal tissue to keep it from drying out. Swelling is another problem... This is an emergency but if you are unable to see a vet today then you may have to try to re-insert the organ that is outside in an attempt to save the tissue and your chameleon. It is equally possible to do additional damage while trying to re-insert the tissue... If no office vet is available maybe one will talk you through it on the phone. It may require a slender rod-like object that can be used to push the tissue back inside. If it is the colon, you will be turning it right-side in while it is being pushed in with the rod. It can be tricky but the alternative is that the exposed tissue will become damaged beyond saving and will need to be surgically removed. If you do get the organ returned inside, try wrapping the vent with something to keep it closed (maybe some kind of tape) until you can get to the vet at the next opportunity.

A friend of mine just went through this experience last month. What looked like the panther's colon was inside-out for about an inch. It had been exposed this way for more than 24 hours. A loooong story short, after a phone consultation with a vet, a rod was used to re-insert the organ. The vent was taped shut. Several days later the tape was removed and a day or two after that, some dead tissue was safely passed out of the vent. Amazingly, the panther seems to be doing fine and it's almost been a month since things originally went wrong. He's still not out of the woods yet. Time will tell...

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Panther & Veileds

Book Collection:
"Reptile Medicine and Surgery" 2nd ed. By Mader
"Chameleons - Their Care and Breeding" By Linda J. Davison
"Chameleons - Nature's Hidden Jewels" 2nd Ed. By Petr Necas
"The Panther Chameleon: Color Variation, Natural History, Conservation and Captive Management" By Gary W. Ferguson...
"Thoughts for Food" 3rd Ed. Edited by Ardi Abate
"Understanding Reptile Parasites" By Roger J. Klingenberg D.V.M.

sniperwowsmall.JPGHe is absolutely stunning and I hope his health improves, I'm glad to see you are a devoted keeper and are doing your best. That being said, I still vote panther. Can a veiled display every color of the rainbow (and a few more) at once? That is assuming the discussion is about visual appeal only. I have to admit though, the veil of a mature adult veiled is pretty cool. How about a cham with the colors of a panther, the casque of a veiled, and the horns of a jackson's? Rainbow triceratops.

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1.0 dendrobates azureus(blue dart frog)
1.0 siberian husky(Siku, means ice in alaskan)
1.0 alaskan malamute(Kobuk, name of region in Alaska)
0.1 mexican yellowheaded amazon parrot(Lucia)

i hope he's okay

I'm very sorry to hear about your veiled. He is BEAUTIFUL! But as for my favorite, i would have to choose panthers. They are beautiful and are not quite as big and i find a lot of them to be quite friendly. But than again, there's always a couple of mean guys.

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i think it's the other way around....panthers tend to grow much bigger than veileds....then again there could be some veileds that out-grow panthers.

Nope.
Veileds are generally larger.

-Brad

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True. Veileds are generally larger than panthers.

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Hello, I am Helen!.
And even though this my first post here, I for a long time on this forum www.chameleonforums.com I'm not sure if this should go here or in the GENERAL DISCUSS section,
so if it's in the wrong place, my apologies (and can someone move it please! EXCUSE uneducated girl). I just loved this topic.
Honestly we should start some movement or society. Anyway I'm also one of those people who enjoy to discuss "http://www.chameleonforums.com".
In my opinion it would be a lot better to get some fact into our STUFF. I'll glad read all new information about this topic
Thanks a lot..!!
Helen V. Beden.