i really dont think its mbd either some people on this forum cant wait to throw the letters mbd around iguess they like the sound of it u post a pic ur reply will be oh thats mbd mbd everthing is mbd lay off the stinkin mbd she uses calcium with d3 and probly doesnt know any better and uses it everyday so i highly doubt its mbd if anything the are absorbing to much cal please lets go one day on this forum without sayin mbd mbd

"The pseudo-gout (calcium hydroxyapatite) deposits usually appear as irregular firm swellings over joints in the limbs and on ribs."
http://www.seavs.com/case_studies/lizards/

Does she have a place in the cage to dig to lay eggs?

I think you need to review your husbandry regarding supplements and possibly UVB.

im going to social security today im goin to legally change my name to mbd ! yo mbd whatcha doin hey mbd wanna grab a beer yes i like it mr. mbd

this is a photo i have just this min taken to me she dont look all that bad and well looked after and she doesnt have any swelling anywhere..........oh and btw her tail is behind my arm, just incase sum of u ppl think iv cut it off!

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I have been reading this thread and have also noticed that my female has the samething. She has never fell while we have had heard mine has two rows of these bumps. I don't k ow the skeletal structure of Chams but could their rib cage be hinged? Just a thought.

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hey mr MBD what are your thoughts on my photo of my cham? doesnt even slightly look like mbd looks more pissed off than anything

I agree with Kinyonga that this could be a sign that your husbandry needs adjusting. Those bumps aren't normal, something caused them and as responsible keepers we should always look at ourselves and our husbandry first.

And BTW I don't think anyone on this forum is trying to insinuate that you don't love your chameleons or that you're purposefully neglecting them. We all love our chameleons and we've all made mistakes and / or been misinformed about something. Chameleons are not easy to keep and there is a lot of bad information about them out there.
So don't think we're trying to be mean, it just happens all too often that a caring and responsible person is given some really bad information.

We're just trying to help.

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yes you are right there is no bowing of the leggs elbows are sharp noy u shaped its not mbd

Im going to take her to the vets still just to giver her a check over but i guess theres nothing they can to for poorly ribs......i mean what do chams do in the wild when they have fallen off a branch and broke thier ribs...they cant really go walk to the vets, they have to repair by them selfs.

I have seen nobs on the sides of a baby veiled at a pet store, and also 2 of our rescue chams have nobs on their rib cage, visible only occasionally. I, too, wondered what they were caused by. I don't know, except for what I've read on this thread. But I did find a few interesting photos by googling "chameleon skeleton". The Pseudo Gout that Kinyonga mentioned looks like a very likely explanation.

I guess the ribs heal and the cham goes on with its life, so long as everything else is OK. And I guess that's the question. One of the big concerns with nutritional deficiencies causing fragile ribs is that a broken rib can easily pierce a vital organ. I have read on this forum of that happening. A cham is suddenly found dead and a necropsy reveals that it must have taken a fall, as a broken rib has pierced an internal organ. But, for all I know, this can happen with perfectly healthy ribs. The danger with fragile ribs is that a break can happen without the cham even taking a fall.

This first skeleton shows some 2 nodules on ribs. Perhaps remnants of Pseudo gout?



This second skeleton (linked here) shows what appears to be normal "pegged" rib joints.

http://www.digimorph.org/library/pop...cimenlarge.jpg

And, while we're at it, a cool page with an illustration of skeleton and also of internal organs:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...en-us%26sa%3DN

On another note: Our vet has told us that raising chams is an art, not a science. Hence, each individual breeder's techiniques more or less evolve over time. We learn constantly, and frequently borrow from each other's knowledge, skill and experience. I would guess many of us continue to tweak our husbandry in order to improve it when we gain better or newer knowledge. I recently saw a very senior member of this forum ask for help with a cham. Another, more junior, member asked her to provide her husbandry details (such as Ryan did on this thread). That senior member, even with all her experience, was willing to present her husbandry data. That really spoke to me. Just food for thought.

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