Breeding Kinyongia multituberculata

Hi,

did a search and found a lot off you guys keeping Kinyongia multituberculata or Kinyongia in general.
i'm looking for a lot off info about breeding with Kinyongia multituberculata.
Everything you know... the more info the better.
also i need to know the temp for the eggs.

in the future i'm willing to breed with them got a male for quite some time and searching for a female at the moment.

http://www.chameleonnews.com/index.php?page=article&id=30

http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/bfischeri.html

superb this is the kind of info a need,

anyone got personal expirience on the matter

Chris Anderson and Mike Monge have a good deal of knowledge regarding fischers.

My own experience has had its bumps. Try not to overhydrate the vermiculite when incubating. I have had eggs breach several months prior to the end of incubation , simply because they took on too much water.

Also , I'd recommend using the chunky vermiculite as opposed to the fine grade.

My research suggests that a night drop in temp is good for the eggs. I would be curious to know if anyone else implements a night drop with montane species???

And, while the female is gestating, refrain from the urge to over supplement her.

how much do you drop the temp at night then?

My night drop is 3F.. its supposed to aid in hatching, due to the pressure differential that temp fluctuations produce as well as producing hardier babies.

There are quite a few people who keep Kinyongia species. Personally that genus is my favorite Just something about the looks of all of them. The "personalities" are very cool too!!! The 4 species I am working with now all have rather different dispositions however all will not tolerate handling and are very shy and nervous.

The two links Chroma posted are probably the most informative articles out there. Here is a link to a thread of mine which pictures my collection throughout. A little ways down on the first page is a post where I explain how I keep mine also (not any different from the two articles).

https://www.chameleonforums.com/my-kinyongia-species-28243/

Currently I have 3 clutches of K. tavetana incubating. I am using a mini fridge from thinkgeek.com. It fluctuates 4 degrees. I program the fridge at 66 degrees and it fluctuates from 66 to 70 degrees F.

This brings me to a question. If it is not between 66 and 70 outside the fridge it will fluctuate all day long even with a container of water inside. I have been wondering if this is too much fluctuation???

There are quite a few keepers who use that fridge and have hatched out some very cool species so I would think the fluctuation really isnt a problem. Regardless the temps are much more precise in the fridge than the first clutch I hatched out.

Harry, are you keeping any K. species at the moment?? Actually what else do you keep besides those fine looking panthers?

I'm currently working with Kinyongia Matschiei which lives in the same regions as multituberculata thus they would have similar if not identical incubation requirements. I'll keep my eye out for more info if I find it. Overall, there is VERY limited info on Kinyongia breeding and rearing of neonates.

Cainschams said:

Harry, are you keeping any K. species at the moment?? Actually what else do you keep besides those fine looking panthers?

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CNorton said:

I'm currently working with Kinyongia Matschiei which lives in the same regions as multituberculata thus they would have similar if not identical incubation requirements. I'll keep my eye out for more info if I find it. Overall, there is VERY limited info on Kinyongia breeding and rearing of neonates.

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I think he meant Harry at chroma

Sorry, I couldn't resist .




Adam

Got a female last sunday, she's wildcaptive semi adult.
She is very shy and hide's a lot. I give here a shower 2 a day. and already she came to drink the drops from the 'spraying thingy' and she eats everything i feed here.
i have good hopes and in the future i hope to succesfully breed with this amazing species.

Coloration is still very dark, all shades off brown...
I noticed that she diggs a lot, i have around 10cm cocopeat in the enclosure.

Glad to hear you have a female who seems to be doing well. Is she a long term captive or newly WC? Is the 10cm of cocopeat substrate or is it in a "laying bin"? I have read females of this species will sometimes dig real deep. If the laying medium is actually substrate on the bottom of the cage I would keep a good eye one her. Females will dig test holes but that could also cause a problem if your medium is not deep enough or in fact too wet, or too dry, for her to want to lay the eggs in. I would recommend at least 10 inches deep for her to lay in.

Keep us posted. Also where are you located if you dont mind me asking? If you have success with them there will be a few of us beating down your do for some CH/CB specimen. That is if you are in the US

Euhm, newly captive i would think becaus she's relatively small compared to my adult men.
could ask the shop the date off import 'think i will now you asked me'
personely i dont think she is gravid yet, and the guy from shop i got here had the same opinion. non off the females he got has carying eggs.

i have to desapoint you guy's, i'm from belgium but nothing holds you to come knock on my door for some little one's if i manage to breed them.

Do they actually have some coloring patterns that comes with age and other sort off behavior except stress.
She was light brown greenich when i got here, since she is in here terra brown is the color

ps: whats the meaning of CB and CH. captive breed and captive ...

Hi Cain... I'm working with 2 locales of Panther, Fischer multis, keeping older carpet majors and flaps and some top secret stuff...LOL

ChromaChameleons said:

Hi Cain... I'm working with 2 locales of Panther, Fischer multis, keeping older carpet majors and flaps and some top secret stuff...LOL

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If by top secret stuff you mean Giant Fischer's (K.Matschiei) you better let me know. I wasn't aware you worked with the multis...that's cool too.

I have a CB pair of Multi's. I have not bred them as of yet, but at a little under 6 months of age the female laid an infertile clutch of 6 eggs. She ignored the laying bin altogether and chose to dig a shallow hole under the screen covering the dirt of her ficus tree. I will be breeding them soon, as well as looking for a mate for the females brother that I have also! I will keep everyone posted.

kawabunga2002 said:

i have to desapoint you guy's, i'm from belgium but nothing holds you to come knock on my door for some little one's if i manage to breed them.

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No disappointment here. It is nice to find others working with the same species. Hopefully we can compare notes in the future.

They will mostly show greens along with some black, gray, brown, white and yellow. Some specimen will show mostly shades of brown also. You can see in the link that my male shows mostly shades of brown along with white, little green and some orange tints and my female is the normal green colors. She will also show yellows with black markings. Possibly receptive or gravid at the moment. Both of them have dark red and turquoise scales on the top of the head.

You should post some pictures!!!! The quality of them does not matter to me

CB means captive bred and CH means captive hatched. CH would come from the eggs of a recently imported gravid female.

Harry, cool to hear you are working with them. How about some pics!!

Juli, the eggs were in fact infertile? Did you notice any receptive coloration in her or any gravid coloration before she laid them?

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Juli, the eggs were in fact infertile? Did you notice any receptive coloration in her or any gravid coloration before she laid them?

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Yes, infertile. I incubated but they molded over in a week or so. She is normally a golden green color, but she did turn a mottled darker color when gravid.

Julirs said:

Yes, infertile. I incubated but they molded over in a week or so. She is normally a golden green color, but she did turn a mottled darker color when gravid.

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Cool Mottled darker color?? Splotchy black spots, nice red head and some yellow? LOL. My female is definitely up to something She has a nice big laying bin in the enclosure so time will tell. I wonder what happened to that dude with the 91 fischers eggs??? We need some unrelated specimen so we can trade offspring in the future!!!

I definitley need a mate for Mrs. Fishers brother. Here are the way they all look today...
Fisher...

Mrs. Fisher...

Mrs. Fisher's brother Snips...

The females always look like they are grinning... kinda look like Reba McIntyre....