Rear leg disorientation

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CamaroCorvette

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Hi all, I suspect my newest panther is developing MBD but I just didn't expect it as I have numerous other reptiles including an older panther who I believe is perfect.
Corvette is about 6 months old, male and I've had him around 2.5 months now
I handle him a few times a week
NUTROBAL calcium and multivitamin dusting every other feed
I mist twice daily most of the time, he drinks droplets from the leaves when I do
Pooped last two days ago, large, soft brown (and white)

Cage is glass with mesh top, 48x48x48 whilst he grows
Lighting is 7am until 8pm, with a natural daylight bulb and heat lamp
Temps are 80 degrees at basking and approx 50 degrees at floor
Humidity isn't measured, had two small live plants in until today.... They were looking tired so replaced with false vines until new ones available
Cage is on a small table approx 3 feet from the floor, quiet spot
I am in Preston, ENGLAND
 
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Hi, I'm really sorry to hear about your Panther.
Can you post a pic of him and his set up?
Just a couple of questions. Are your temps in Celsius or Fahrenheit?
Also what are you using for a UVB light? And what are you feeding him and how often?
 
Forgot to mention, since just today he doesn't seem to be able to support his weight very well, his back legs seem extremely disorientated, almost like they're working backwards and he can't control them. He stretches them out 'looking' for a branch but at very odd angles if that makes sense. He ate about 6 large mealworms just yesterday. Many thanks in anticipation, andy
 
His main feed is locusts, but he has the odd lot of crickets, waxworms and mealworms
The other light is a high output natural daylight bulb which came with the setup
 
He does look like he's having some issues but his limbs don't look too bad...yet.
With quick action you should be able to prevent further damage.he also looks a little underweight to me.
Describe his movement. Is he eating. Does he have tongue problems? How is his grip? Does he have trouble holding on to branches? Falling?
 
So I would increase his basking spot closer to 90 F. And 50 F is way to cold. You need to bump it up to around 70 F. He needs to be warmer for his metabolism to work correctly
 
Once he finds the branch he grips ok, just weaker than normal. He has eaten less just recently as I've tried 4 local stores for food during the holidays and they hadn't had a delivery. I've got some now fortunately.
His movement is really hard to describe, his front legs seem ok, just weak, his back legs are a bit like a baby deer when it's born if that makes sense? He isn't and hasn't fallen to my knowledge, and he was striking perfectly well on the mealworms just yesterday
 
JaxyGirl said:
So I would increase his basking spot closer to 90 F. And 50 F is way to cold. You need to bump it up to around 70 F. He needs to be warmer for his metabolism to work correctly
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Just checked sorry, basking is 90, I'll turn his heat mat up but the thermo is set at 70 for that too, thanks
 
CamaroCorvette said:
Once he finds the branch he grips ok, just weaker than normal. He has eaten less just recently as I've tried 4 local stores for food during the holidays and they hadn't had a delivery. I've got some now fortunately.
His movement is really hard to describe, his front legs seem ok, just weak, his back legs are a bit like a baby deer when it's born if that makes sense? He isn't and hasn't fallen to my knowledge, and he was striking perfectly well on the mealworms just yesterday
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It does sound like the beginning of MBD. It's good that he doesn't seem to have tongue issues yet. But he sounds like he's getting weaker.
You definitely need to change his supplemental routine to Calcium without D3 everyday. Use a Multivitamin only twice a month and also Calcium with D3 twice a month.
 
Ok I'll definitely do that, perhaps I'm using too much with D3 then? Is it worth a visit to the vets? Is there anything else I can be doing?
 
CamaroCorvette said:
Just checked sorry, basking is 90, I'll turn his heat mat up but the thermo is set at 70 for that too, thanks
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Ok so basking is good. Depending on the temperature of your home you shouldn't need a heat mat which can make the lowere regions of his cage too hot. If your house is already 68-70 degrees I would remove it.
Also he is definitely ready for a larger cage at 6mos.
 
CamaroCorvette said:
Ok I'll definitely do that, perhaps I'm using too much with D3 then? Is it worth a visit to the vets? Is there anything else I can be doing?
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Oversupplimenting with D3 can definitely cause MBD type symptoms. Lack of calcium in ther diet and also vitamin A deficiency can all have similar symptoms.
All of the above is usually a result of diet due to not feeding your feeders a healthy diet and not supplimenting correctly.
The correct lighting is very important. What did you say you were using for a UVB light? A full spectrum light..as far as I know..but correct me if I'm wrong...does not emit UVB which is so important for a Cham to develop D3 which aids in the obsorption of calcium into the bones.
 
My flat is normally quite cold during the day as I'm out at work with the heating off, so it's just to ensure he doesn't get cold. I'll definitely move him to the larger viv, once he starts improving though of course
 
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