Help setting up before i loose my babies

lilwish

New Member
I am new to parenting chameleons, I have 2 panthers. I did a lot of research before getting them set up the cage before we brought them home but now after reading stuff on here i feel I have done EVERYTHING WRONG! didnt find this forum until after i was done with everything. But i came on here to get a few answers for some strange things my babys were doing and now have seen that i feel i was wrong and that may be the reason that they are acting strange.:confused:
I would LOVE for someone to tell me the best size/type of cage for a 2month old and the proper lighting including wattage anything else that can be told would be greatly listened to advice!!!
 

camimom

New Member
what will you feed them?
I have a 4 week old male veiled, I keep him in a small mesh cage, 2lx1wx2h since baby chams are clumsy and can fall alot, this way he wont get hurt.
 

Ace

Avid Member
Hello Welcome to the forums:)

dont worry, your first step into giving your chams a long and healthy, happy life is by coming here:D

as camimom suggested having them temperarily in small cages would be fine for young panther chameleons, but its not because they are clumsy but rather they will find their food easier, however you can have your baby chams in a bigger cage:)

since you have two, hopefully you have them seperate cages, they grow up to be solitary animals and as they age they will get stressed out by one another

here are some helpful links about how to properly care for your panther chameleons:)

if you have any questions ask away, or use the search button, and look up old threads that might have already been discussed by similar questions/issues


here you go, hope this helps:D

https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html


and here is the "ask for help form" so that you fill out as much as possible and so that the forums and help you as uch as possible by the information given, and always be truthful:)

here you go

https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/
 

camimom

New Member
Hello Welcome to the forums:)

dont worry, your first step into giving your chams a long and healthy, happy life is by coming here:D

as camimom suggested having them temperarily in small cages would be fine for young panther chameleons, but its not because they are clumsy but rather they will find their food easier, however you can have your baby chams in a bigger cage:)

since you have two, hopefully you have them seperate cages, they grow up to be solitary animals and as they age they will get stressed out by one another

here are some helpful links about how to properly care for your panther chameleons:)

if you have any questions ask away, or use the search button, and look up old threads that might have already been discussed by similar questions/issues


here you go, hope this helps:D

https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html


and here is the "ask for help form" so that you fill out as much as possible and so that the forums and help you as uch as possible by the information given, and always be truthful:)

here you go

https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/
The reason i said they were clumsy was cuz i read that somewhere when i was doing my mountain of research before I brought mine home. It said that babies were clumsy and had weaker grips or something so smaller cages were better that had lots of foliage for hiding, so if and when they fell, they would get hurt as much as if they had fallen from the top in their adult size cage. :cool:
 

Ace

Avid Member
The reason i said they were clumsy was cuz i read that somewhere when i was doing my mountain of research before I brought mine home. It said that babies were clumsy and had weaker grips or something so smaller cages were better that had lots of foliage for hiding, so if and when they fell, they would get hurt as much as if they had fallen from the top in their adult size cage. :cool:
like all info, i think it was for being extra cautious, but young healthy chams shouldnt have weak grips, nor be clumsy, granted they may fall, but i feel we dont give them enough credit, since they live in trees many feet high from the ground, panthers come from madagascar.

its not that i consider your info wrong, but just thought that ther is more too it about smaller cages and keeping chams, even myself im still learning:)

if oyu had large cage filled with foilage like pothos and umbrella and ficus plants plus vines and branches, then it would still help by breaking the fall as well, just as a smaller cage
 

lilwish

New Member
AWESOME, and no i do not have them aprat they told me they could be together for aleast 2 more months and I had them in a half glass half screen cage because i was told all screen was to much for babies. :( I am ordering 2 cages now and the proper lights I have a coil UVB :( i have been keeping the humidity at about 55-62% and the temp is at 79 I feel they are stressed and my light is to close to them that is why they are acting the way they are. If I have anything else to ask I will fill out the question sheet thank you so much!!:D
 

kinyonga

Chameleon Enthusiast
Welcome to the world of chameleons!

Here's some information about chameleon husbandry with some links at the bottom...

Exposure to proper UVB, appropriate temperatures, supplements, a supply of well-fed/gutloaded insects, water and an appropriate cage set-up are all important for the well-being of your chameleon.

Appropriate cage temperatures aid in digestion and thus play a part indirectly in nutrient absorption.

Exposure to UVB from either direct sunlight or a proper UVB light allows the chameleon to produce D3 so that it can use the calcium in its system to make/keep the bones strong and be used in other systems in the chameleon as well. The UVB should not pass through glass or plastic no matter whether its from the sun or the UVB light. The most often recommended UVB light is the long linear fluorescent Repti-sun 5.0 tube light. Some of the compacts, spirals and tube lights have caused health issues, but so far there have been no bad reports against this one.

Since many of the feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorus in them, its important to dust the insects just before you feed them to the chameleon at most feedings with a phos.-free calcium powder to help make up for it. (I use Rep-cal phosphorus-free calcium).

If you also dust twice a month with a phos.-free calcium/D3 powder it will ensure that your chameleon gets some D3 without overdoing it. It leaves the chameleon to produce the rest of what it needs through its exposure to the UVB light. D3 from supplements can build up in the system but D3 produced from exposure to UVB shouldn't as long as the chameleon can move in and out of it. (I use Rep-cal phos.-free calcium/D3).

Dusting twice a month as well with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A will ensure that the chameleon gets some vitamins without the danger of overdosing the vitamin A. PrEformed sources of vitamin A can build up in the system and may prevent the D3 from doing its job and push the chameleon towards MBD. However, there is controversy as to whether all/any chameleons can convert the beta carotene and so some people give some prEformed vitamin A once in a while. (I use herptivite.)

Gutloading/feeding the insects well helps to provide what the chameleon needs. I gutload crickets, roaches, locusts, superworms, etc. with an assortment of greens (dandelions, kale, collards, endive, escarole, mustard greens, etc.) and veggies (carrots, squash, sweet potato, sweet red pepper, zucchini, etc.)

Calcium, phos., D3 and vitamin A are important players in bone health and other systems in the chameleon (muscles, etc.) and they need to be in balance. When trying to balance them, you need to look at the supplements, what you feed the insects and what you feed the chameleon.

Here are some good sites for you to read...
http://chameleonnews.com/07FebWheelock.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200605020...Vitamin.A.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200406080...d.Calcium.html
http://www.uvguide.co.uk/
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/200601140...ww.adcham.com/
 
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