Getting into some rare species of chameleons

[tkilgour]

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should get?

I really want to purchase the pair of parsons on kingsnake, but lets face it $3750 is a lot of money to spend on animals. They are very cool, I just can't swing that. Therefore, I was thinking a lot cheaper here.

I was interested in several species.

1. Chamaeleo jacksonii merumontana
2. Poroto 3 horns(c.fuellorni)
3. Chamaeleo t. deremensis
4. C.werneri
5. C.hoehneli
6. Chamaeleo johnstonii\
7. Quadricornis

I can't decide which ones to invest in. I like them all, but I can't decide. Maybe some of you expert keepers can chime in with your opinions and let me know the ups and downs for each. Thanks.

 

[draetish]

I'm not sure about the ups and downs but C.werneri (peacock chameleon) is one of my favorites and I've been searching high and low to find one.

 

[eisentrauti]

Trioceros werneri isn't the "peacock chameleon", that's Trioceros wiedersheimi ssp.

I have worked with nearly all those species except Trioceros fuelleborni and werneri.
Nearly all of them need relative high night temperature drops. Could you provide this for sure ?
Trioceros hoehnelii and quadricornis quadricornis are the only ones which can be kept sometimes in pairs or groups, all others are very territorial. For long time success they need to be kept single.
If I could choose I would take johnstoni, becaues of their great coloration and the nice horns.

Another point: Trioceros deremensis are the parsoniis of this genera. They are very calm and don't move much. With them you can imagine better what you have to expect from your dream chameleon

 

[canzoman]

I love Quads. They are great looking Dinosaurs also.

 

[laurie]

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should get?

I really want to purchase the pair of parsons on kingsnake, but lets face it $3750 is a lot of money to spend on animals. They are very cool, I just can't swing that. Therefore, I was thinking a lot cheaper here.

I was interested in several species.

1. Chamaeleo jacksonii merumontana
2. Poroto 3 horns(c.fuellorni)
3. Chamaeleo t. deremensis
4. C.werneri
5. C.hoehneli
6. Chamaeleo johnstonii\
7. Quadricornis

I can't decide which ones to invest in. I like them all, but I can't decide. Maybe some of you expert keepers can chime in with your opinions and let me know the ups and downs for each. Thanks.

Just add my thoughts

I love my quads, the adult are easy to keep if you provide correct humidity and temps. So far out of 9 babies all nine are doing great at 2 months.

One of our forum members still has hoehneli I think https://www.chameleonforums.com/members/ssimsswiss/

I find derermensis to be personable, they are gentle, and happy to hand feed, ect.

I have jacksons but I have xanth's which I love. the same forum member may still have jackson jacksonii

That is all I know about any of them.

 

[Cainschams]

Hey Tom! Nice to see you are wanting to get into some other species. I would definitely keep away from the Parsons. Personally I wouldnt even take a pair for free because I know I couldnt provide the space for them and also all of the vet bills you will have with them. Any Parsons keeper I talk to say they have lots of money tied up in vet bills.

Out of those species you named I would try fuelleborni, werneri, or hoehnelli. Im not too interested in quads but this species may also be a good choice. I hear the johnstonii and merumontanus can be rather tough also. Of course it depends what shape the WCs are in also. As Benny said all of these need more of a night time drop than panthers and veileds along with higher humidity and cooler day time temps.

I have never kept any that you have named off but I think good chams to start with that arent a low land species come from the Kinyongia genus. They do need lower temps and higher humidity but not to the extreme as the live bearers. There are also captive multituberculata and tavetana available at the moment. When you can get captive animals it will make your first experiences with montanes a much better one IMO.

 

[warpdrive]

Here is my two cents...

I've been waiting a year to finally have my quad pair.
They have been clearly the joy of my life the past two weeks.
Sure they and derimenthesis require higher humidity and cooler temps, but are quite easy for a rookie like me.

Nothing wrong with jacksons, but I just don't want to get into them.
I do see me getting into derimenthesis if I get lucky.

If I was you I would try quads, derimenthesis, and jacksons...
All will do well in their own room as temps and humidity are mostly the same.
They all will sell easy to advanced keepers and breeders.
Don't require much extra care if you have the setup done right.
Finally, while the babies are a bit more demanding, you won't have 50 hungry mouths to feed like panthers.

Harry

 

[laurie]

Here is my two cents...

I've been waiting a year to finally have my quad pair.
They have been clearly the joy of my life the past two weeks.
Sure they and derimenthesis require higher humidity and cooler temps, but are quite easy for a rookie like me.

Nothing wrong with jacksons, but I just don't want to get into them.
I do see me getting into derimenthesis if I get lucky.

If I was you I would try quads, derimenthesis, and jacksons...
All will do well in their own room as temps and humidity are mostly the same.
They all will sell easy to advanced keepers and breeders.
Don't require much extra care if you have the setup done right.
Finally, while the babies are a bit more demanding, you won't have 50 hungry mouths to feed like panthers.

Harry

Hey Harry I have nine 2 month old quads and may take out a mortgage on my home soon. These guys EAT. It is true I said they can't leave home until the a 4 months but you might need to fly out soon and get your little eating, pooping machine.

 

[draetish]

Trioceros werneri isn't the "peacock chameleon", that's Trioceros wiedersheimi ssp.

Thanks Benny for that correction.

 

[jeffro]

I love my Werneri and recomend them as a second cham to anyone !! Just my 2 cents !!

 

[Warrix642]

Tom, I think the obvious thing to do is get 1.2 of each!!!

 

[chamelisa]

I love the johnstoni but also like the fuelleborni and merumontanus too. Johnstoni being the easier of the three, I'd chose that one.

 

[luevelvet]

It's funny you mention that T. deremensis is the Parson's of our generation, Benny. I've always said the same and can't say how enjoyable it is to have them. Outside of egg laying issues, they're relatively easy to care for. They just require a copious amount of water everyday and certainly appreciate a temperature drop at night.

I vote for deremensis or quadricornis!

Luis

 

[FFSTRescue]

This may help...
How can you resist that cute little Deremensis face?

 

[kinyonga]

Merus, quads, deremensis and fuellbornis are easier than Werneri....IMHO.
Of the ones you listed I would say Johnston's are the hardest.
I've never kept hoes...but people have good success with them.

 

[tkilgour]

Thanks everyone for your input, it is greatly appreciated!

Nearly all of them need relative high night temperature drops. Could you provide this for sure ?
Trioceros hoehnelii and quadricornis.
Another point: Trioceros deremensis are the parsoniis of this genera. They are very calm and don't move much. With them you can imagine better what you have to expect from your dream chameleon

Thanks for your suggestions. I certainly can provide a nice temperature drop. Where my chameleons are kept, the floors and walls are concrete and heat is more a challenge to keep for me. The humidity is always high too.

I would definitely keep away from the Parsons. ... also all of the vet bills you will have with them. Any Parsons keeper I talk to say they have lots of money tied up in vet bills.

I have never kept any that you have named off but I think good chams to start with that arent a low land species come from the Kinyongia genus. They do need lower temps and higher humidity but not to the extreme as the live bearers. There are also captive multituberculata and tavetana available at the moment. When you can get captive animals it will make your first experiences with montanes a much better one IMO.

Vet bills are not good, I need to stay away from anything with vet bills. I rarely have to go to the vet for a chameleon. They all stay pretty healthy and on a rare occasion one may have to go. Therefore, I will have to stay away from that. I do like chams from the Kinyongia genus too.

I vote for deremensis or quadricornis!

Luis

I like both,

This may help...
How can you resist that cute little Deremensis face?

Very hard to resist, such a cute little one!

Merus, quads, deremensis and fuellbornis are easier than Werneri....IMHO.
Of the ones you listed I would say Johnston's are the hardest.
I've never kept hoes...but people have good success with them.

Thanks kinyonga, your opinions are much appreciated. I like the hoes a lot!

 

[fluxlizard]

There is a yellow headed hoehneli that comes in sometimes.

Beautiful animals.

Porotos I found to be pretty hardy.

Anything on your list requires a pretty good temp drop at night. Porotos might be the most forgiving if providing a heavy temp drop at night is sometimes difficult for you.

 

[tkilgour]

There is a yellow headed hoehneli that comes in sometimes.

Beautiful animals.

Porotos I found to be pretty hardy.

Anything on your list requires a pretty good temp drop at night. Porotos might be the most forgiving if providing a heavy temp drop at night is sometimes difficult for you.

I'd like to have a yellow headed hoehneli! Night time drops in temp. are pretty easy for me.