Can someone set me straight on supplement dusting?

Discussion in 'Chameleon Food' started by lojack13, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. lojack13

    lojack13 New Member

    Ok, so I have a 3 1/2 month old baby Nosy Be Panther. I have been reading a lot of mixed ideas on what is best for supplement dusting. I have mainly read the you want to dust with Calcium +D3 -Phos 2 times a month. Dust with Clacium -D3 -Phos everyday and Multi-vite 2 times a month. But I have also been reading that for young Chams you need to be doing Clacium +D3 -Phos twice a week, Calcium -D3 -Phos 2 times a week and a multi-vite 1 per week. Someone please set me straight here. Thanks!
     
  2. Hoj

    Hoj Friendly Grasshopper

    i suppliment my young ones the same as my adults. but i make sure the crickets are very well gut loaded and that the uvb is good and fresh
    jmo
     
  3. carol5208

    carol5208 Chameleon Enthusiast

    ok, so the standard on the forum is Calcium without d3 every feeding, calcium with d3 twice a month and the multivitamin twice a month. This seems to keep our chameleons healthy.
     
  4. RunCode3

    RunCode3 New Member

    whats the problem with D3? can you over do it?
     
  5. kinyonga

    kinyonga Chameleon Enthusiast

    Here's some information I hope will help you with supplementing, etc.....
    Appropriate cage temperatures aid in digestion and thus play a part indirectly in nutrient absorption.

    Exposure to UVB from either direct sunlight or a proper UVB light allows the chameleon to produce D3 so that it can use the calcium in its system to make/keep the bones strong and be used in other systems in the chameleon as well. The UVB should not pass through glass or plastic no matter whether its from the sun or the UVB light. The most often recommended UVB light is the long linear fluorescent Repti-sun 5.0 tube light. Some of the compacts, spirals and tube lights have caused health issues, but so far there have been no bad reports against this one.

    A wide variety of insects that have been well fed and gutloaded should be fed to it.

    Since many of the feeder insects we use in captivity have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorus in them, its important to dust the insects just before you feed them to the chameleon at most feedings with a phos.-free calcium powder to help make up for it. (I use Rep-cal phosphorus-free calcium).

    If you also dust twice a month with a phos.-free calcium/D3 powder it will ensure that your chameleon gets some D3 without overdoing it. It leaves the chameleon to produce the rest of what it needs through its exposure to the UVB light. D3 from supplements can build up in the system but D3 produced from exposure to UVB shouldn't as long as the chameleon can move in and out of it. (I use Rep-cal phos.-free calcium/D3).

    Dusting twice a month as well with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A will ensure that the chameleon gets some vitamins without the danger of overdosing the vitamin A. PrEformed sources of vitamin A can build up in the system and may prevent the D3 from doing its job and push the chameleon towards MBD. However, there is controversy as to whether all/any chameleons can convert the beta carotene and so some people give some prEformed vitamin A once in a while. (I use herptivite which has beta carotene.)

    Gutloading/feeding the insects well helps to provide what the chameleon needs. I gutload crickets, roaches, locusts, superworms, etc. with an assortment of greens (dandelions, kale, collards, endive, escarole, mustard greens, etc.) and veggies (carrots, squash, sweet potato, sweet red pepper, zucchini, etc.)

    Calcium, phos., D3 and vitamin A are important players in bone health and other systems in the chameleon (muscles, etc.) and they need to be in balance. When trying to balance them, you need to look at the supplements, what you feed the insects and what you feed the chameleon.
    Please note that various supplements have various amounts of D3 and vitamin A and so some can be given more often than others. The idea still is not to overdo the fat soluble vitamins like D3 and prEformed vitamin A.

    Here are some good sites for you to read too...
    http://chameleonnews.com/07FebWheelock.html
    http://web.archive.org/web/200605020...Vitamin.A.html
    http://web.archive.org/web/200406080...d.Calcium.html
    http://www.uvguide.co.uk/
    http://web.archive.org/web/200601140...ww.adcham.com/
    If you can't access the sites above that have the word "archive" in you can do it through the WayBackMachine.
     
  6. carol5208

    carol5208 Chameleon Enthusiast

    I think Kinyonga answered your question!
     
  7. lojack13

    lojack13 New Member

    Cool! Thanks everyone. And thanks Kinyonga, I am doing everything on your list so I am good to go. I am even using the same exact supplements as you. So I will continue the dusting schedule as usual. Just wanted to make sure I was giving my baby everything she needed.
    Thanks!
     
  8. RePtAr11

    RePtAr11 New Member

    This site is just great huh lol
     

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