Both eyes shut?

[staticlush]

Chameleon Info: Graceful Chameleon
Your Chameleon - Rango female. 6 months
Handling - 3 times a week
Feeding - crickets and mealworms
Supplements - Flukers orange cube and cricket quencher. dusting with herptivite
Watering - spritzing all the time and water bowl.
Fecal Description -Normal


Cage Info:
Cage Type - Glass exo terra 25 gal
Lighting - uvb avb coiled tube and red basking
Temperature - 70 -80
Humidity - not sure
Location - Iowa

Rangos eyes have been bothering her for some time it started with just one eye and now both are shut. she opens one up every once in a while but the other hasn't been open in days. i shower her and she scratches her eyes on branches an stuff. they look glued shut so im pretty worried right about now. the eye she always has shut she had open after a shower today and i couldn't see her eyeball which totally has me freaking out. her colour looks great but she isnt active at alll.. I have been hand feeding her and she cant seem to stick her toung out! what can i do?!?

 

[qdude46]

if there is substrate in there then take it out and get a humidity gauge if your not sure what the humidity is because even with the mister the humidity might nit be high enough

 

[GabeCastro]

I see allot of problems with your enclosure...Also with your gutloading and supplements.

Seeing you're from Iowa i'm assuming you're housing your cham indoors. With that said your cham needs to get Calcium with NO D3 everyday, Calcium WITH D3 2x a month, and a multivitamin 2x a month. I think you're using the multivitamin everyday which can lead to allot of problems. This may be why your chams tongue won't shoot aswell. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/232-tongue-troubles.html

Gutloading read up on this https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...sphorus-ratios-common-good-gutload-foods.html

I feel like your problems require an immediate vet visit. Take her in for a check up & fecal test. The vet should give you some eye drops to help your cham clean her eyes. May check for eggs, shots, etc. But I have a feeling your cham may have a calcium deficiency. She can also be egg bound, so her eyes may be shut from trying to dig up substate if you have any.

Also a glass enclosure is bad, if you have too much humidty your cham can get a respiratory infection. Also bacteria can grow in the cage such as mold which is deadly. But if you have problems with humidity glass is recommended with a mesh bottom / top.

Please google some around your area and schedule an appointment asap.

Update us on her conditions aswell. You will learn TONS of info from your herp vet. They can also help you with going over your set up, supplements, etc.

-Gabe

 

[Lovereps]

Last time you posted, you were told that she needed a vet.
She appears to have serious eye infections, which won't heal without vet care and prescription medicines.
The longer you wait, the better the chances are for permanent eye damage and death.
I hope you at least took all the other advice you were given in this thread: https://www.chameleonforums.com/graceful-eyes-shut-no-poop-103536/.
If you don't get her to a vet soon, she will die.
The best chance for her recovery is to have her seen by a vet with plenty of reptile experience, although her chances of recovering depend on exactly how ill she is.
Here are a couple of vets in Iowa who have an interest in reptiles and joined ARAV
http://www.arav.org/find-a-vet/#Iowa
You can also look here:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/veterinarian-resources-67/

Here is a good caresheet with Graceful cham info:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/senegal/
This includes specific info on safe supplement dusting schedules and good humidity levels to maintain for her health.

 

[staticlush]

i took her to a vet the day after that post end it was a recommended vet. she said she looked fine and it was probably from her shedding

 

[ReptileLove18]

i think its important to check out this caresheet, the multivitamin may be too much everyday and this goes over that https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/senegal/
i also think that you should get a hygrometer so that you can measure humidity because that is a big thing for chams and you need to be able to monitor it.
she looks like she needs a vet visit, especially since her eyelids are open but we cant see her eyes. eyes are very delicate and permanent damage can occur. i would schedule a vet visit as soon as possible

 

[Lovereps]

i took her to a vet the day after that post end it was a recommended vet. she said she looked fine and it was probably from her shedding

Hopefully, the vet she was seen by was the vet named in the ARAV listings, not just the place where they work.
Many vets open a practice with other vets and not everyone in that practice is going to be a reptile expert.
I"m glad that you didn't ignore all the good advice you were given before, but am saddened that she's still having problems.
If you can't see the eye itself when the lid is open that is one serious infection.
She has to get medicine without delay.
Maybe try another vet if you think the first one you saw missed the infection and was an ARAV vet.
In the meantime, rinsing her eyes with a special saline solution might help her to feel a little more comfortable.
This one is good because it doesn't have a bunch of ingredients that could irritate her eyes:
http://www.cvs.com/shop/product-detail/CVS-Saline-Solution-for-Sensitive-Eyes?skuId=458126

 

[staticlush]

yea it was an arav vet. I have to wait tell monday because there nnot open on sundays but i would really like to know what caused this i cant stop thinking i have the wrong lighting. I have a repti glo 10.0 uvb self ballasted 26w 120v .34a. any input on this?

 

[Lovereps]

The way to find out is to leave the UVB light off for a few days.
A few days without a UVB light will do no harm.
If it was caused by the light, then she should begin opening her eyes more often and for longer times after a couple of days.

Another possibility is that the at least part of the problems were caused by daily use of multivitamins and no plain calcium supplements .
I don't know how long she was supplemented that way but if it was more than a week, it's something that should be mentioned to the vet, so he/she can take it into consideration when determining what she needs to recover.
You wouldn't want a vet to assume that it's safe to give vitamin A (because a deficiency of it causes eye problems) when she may be trying to recover from having had too much vitamin A.

 

[staticlush]

im sry i dint explain my info well enough. i haven't actually dusted her everyday. it hasnt been much prob twice a week but im also not dusting with calc everyday i cant find any with ought the d3. its been about a week since a calc with d3 dust.

 

[Lovereps]

No problem.
Sometimes I have a hard time getting across what I mean, too.
I have to mail order plain calcium because it is hard to find in my area.
This place has 2 different brands of plain calcium
http://www.pangeareptile.com/store/dietary-supplements/calcium-supplements.html