Any Ideas???

[BigYeck]

Hey guys I’m new to the forum but I’ve been keeping and breeding reptiles for several years now. One of them being veiled chams, in which I’m very familiar with. About a month ago I picked up a trio of ambilobe that are about 8 months to a year old. 12 days ago I bred one of the females and she acted normal for about a week. Now she goes down to the bottom of the cage and hides and I have to put her up in her basking spot. Once I place her there she stays but once bed time comes she goes down to the floor of the cage. Is this normal with the panthers? She is displaying gravid colors, eating, drinking and defecating normally.

Any help or ideas would help

Thanks,
Eric
Big Yecks Gecks
www.bigyecksgecks.com

 

[VeiledChams]

if you bred her, she is most likely ready to lay eggs. put in an egg laying container ASAP.


IMO she was too young to be bred though.

 

[renzo0684]

She is looking for a place to lay. Place a bin in the bottom. Also fill this out
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.


It will help us answer your questions

 

[BigYeck]

She is 13 months old and has already laid a clutch of infertile eggs before I got her. The younger female I still have yet to breed due to her only being 8 months old.

 

[BigYeck]

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Once every other day for inspection (about 5 min)
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets, Superworms, and hornworms. 15 ¾, 10 med, 3, every other day. I always feed my feeders a gut load.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? Repashy. Repashy. Calcium every feeding, cal with Med D3 once weekly, Vitamin every other week.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? Drip cup, misting, twice daily and yes
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Brown and white. No
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen, 24, 18, 36
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 12 hour on off, reptiglo 5.0, 50 watt flood
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? They have an 85 degree basking, ambient of 78 and a cool spot of 73. Night temp ambient of 73 and I use a dig temp gun (which I use on all of my reptiles)
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? Humidity is 80% measured by a dig gauge
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Fake
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Chameleon room, no, no, and no. bottom of cage is at 40 in top at 76 in
Location - Where are you geographically located? Kentucky


As I said, I’m not new to chams, just this species. There is not a lot of info on activity on females after breeding. My female veileds always go to bask more after breeding. This girl is doing just the opposite, which baffles me. I have palpated her and no signs of major egg development. She eats, drinks, and defecates as she should.

 

[BigYeck]

A little off topic but how can I get this to fit into my signature???

104.228.55 Crested Geckos
20.41.0 Gargoyle Geckos
1.2.0 New Ami Leachianus
1.2.0 Fimbriatus
1.2.0 Sikorae
21.45.12 Leopard

3.12.67 Veiled Chameleons
1.2.0 Ambilobe Panther Chameleons
1.3.0 Senegal Chameleons

8.20.0 Corn Snakes
1.3.1 High white King Snakes
1.1.0 Anery het snow Sand Boas
1.0.0 Ball Python

2.6.0 Bearded Dragons
8.32.0 Green Anole

45,000 to 50,000 rodents (rats, mice, gerbils)

 

[carol5208]

A little off topic but how can I get this to fit into my signature???

104.228.55 Crested Geckos
20.41.0 Gargoyle Geckos
1.2.0 New Ami Leachianus
1.2.0 Fimbriatus
1.2.0 Sikorae
21.45.12 Leopard

3.12.67 Veiled Chameleons
1.2.0 Ambilobe Panther Chameleons
1.3.0 Senegal Chameleons

8.20.0 Corn Snakes
1.3.1 High white King Snakes
1.1.0 Anery het snow Sand Boas
1.0.0 Ball Python

2.6.0 Bearded Dragons
8.32.0 Green Anole

45,000 to 50,000 rodents (rats, mice, gerbils)

where in god's name do you keep all of these!!!

 

[ataraxia]

New Ami Leachianus.................SO EFFIN JEALOUS!!!!!!

CAROL: LMAO i was thinkin the same thing. i seriously have a ton of animals but he puts me to shame.

 

[BigYeck]

I actually have a couple of facilities now, and getting ready to make an extension on one to support new growth. I'm getting ready to enlarge my Superworms business as well so I will see if I run out of room again. As soon as I get some time I will take some pics of my favorites in my collection and my breeding colonies and post them.

 

[BigYeck]

Never mind I figured it out, she could see out of the window and it started stressing her out. I covered the front of her cage and she went back to normal. I’ll get some blinds and cover the window.

Thanks anyway...

 

[Cainschams]

Sorry if I missed it. Is she housed with any other animal or by herself? She could be getting stressed by another cham if she isnt by herself. I wouldnt think she is ready to lay yet. If she was that far in to gestation when you bred her I dont think she would have accepted the male.

 

[BigYeck]

She is by herself, that’s how I keep all my chams. The only time they see another cham is about a week before I breed them and then I move the male to across from them. I decrease the space between them a little each day and watch the female. If she shows receptive coloring I place them together and wait for copulation to ensue. Once the deed is done I separate and they don’t see each other until next season.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I would go ahead and get a laying bin in there ASAP. They like to dig test holes before they lay. Thats what my panthers do. And just because you cant see or feel eggs doesnt mean she is not full of them. One of my females just laying a clutch of 32 eggs and I couldnt see any signs of her carrying that many. She just got a little chubby. Then boom 32 eggs.

 

[BigYeck]

She has had a lay box in with her since the day I got her. I like to keep lay sites in with my female chams at all times. I've found that you never know when they're ready to lay. I usually can see some form of lumps on their sides or feel eggs when palpated. She hasn't gone down to the lay box that I can tell, no marks in the media. Since I covered the front of her cage she's acting normal again.

On a side note one of my veiled clutches pipped this morning. I’ve got 4 pipped and 8 others sweating and collapsed.