I started a new thread earlier but noone is giving me any advice about my remaining baby side stripe cham!!! i'm gonna lose him tonight i'm certain. when i came in from work today i found my baby cham, only just, clinging to a leaf in his viv. when i looked closer, his tongue is hanging out and he is very lifeless. i've given as much info as i think i can in my other thread as to all of the problems i've had since i got them/him. his tongue is very dark red as though there is alot of blod trapped in it. i think he is too far gone to help him but any advice would be very very appriciated!!!


please can someone help??

i've tried to give him a drink but he wont take it, he wont take any foo either. i've tried to coax him into retracting his tongue but he wont do that either. i've been fighting for days now to save my babies but no one seems to be helping me!! (i dont mean to sound ungrateful, i'm just so so so stressed and worried).

my other thread is labeled "Side stripe chameleon (rudis) baby, need help urgent, dying!!! " if you need any info.

please someone help!!!!!!!!

Did you overheat them? They need cooler temps than other chams. What are your temps? How old?

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we were told by the shop that they needed temps of 27 degrees cels but i've literally just found info on the web that says they need lower temps than that!!! i think i have been miss informed which has nearly cost me two gorgeous baby cams. one has already died and the other i dont think is gnna see the night thru.
they were only 6 weeks old. i've been tod that they may be too young to have been sold.... is this true?

It sounds like he needs to go to the vet ASAP

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this is my problem, my closest reptile vet is over 200 miles away!! i very much doubt he wouldsurvive the journey if i had transport. i cant even get in touch with a breeder to see if there maybe something they can do. i really appreciate your advice..... its more than most other people have given.

When asking for help it is helpful for our Senior Members and Breeders to have answers to these questions.

Vields like to bask at about 85 deg at the top of the cage with plenty of plants so they can go down under the leaves closer to the bottom to cool down. Regular daytime temps should run about 75 - 80 with night time temps about 65 - 75. Night time needs to be cooler then the day time temps. If your home is warm during the day they may not need a light bulb to bask under, especially if you can't mist.

I mist mine 3 times a day for about 5 minutes. I watch them drink. When they start to turn away from the water to hide under a leaf I stop misting. It is also a good idea to have a dripper to drink. My veilds stay in humidity of 50-70%. After I mist it is about 70 then gets down to 45 - 50 when I show up again.

Please be sure to answer the questions below and I hope for the best for your new chams.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage construction (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and type of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Location - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.

Pictures are helpful

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1.3 veileds and 72 eggs

i did put in my FIRST POST that i had listed everything i had in another thread titled "Side stripe chameleon (rudis) baby, need help urgent, dying!!! "
i will list again though.......

to try and follow what you need to know; my chams were only 6 weeks old, i have had them for 4 days now. i am feeding them, small crickets (which i feed on bits of chopped carrott), the odd meal worm and the odd waxworm (i know they are high in fat so i tend not to give them too many of these). i cant remember the exact humidity level as i'm at work so i cant check. the temp is at roughly between 25 and 27 degrees celsius daytime and around 18 -19 night time (this is what the shop we got them from advised). the viv we are usin is a, i think its called, an 'exotera' wooden viv with glass front doors. its size is 2ft x 1ft. as they were only 3 inches long we were told this would be big enough (they suggested to buy the one we did). we basically told them to give us all of the stuff we needed for the chams to be well supplied.
for heat i'm using a 20w (icould be wrong about the wattage) ceramic heater and a ...... sorry i cant remember the make of the uv tube we are using but i do remember it being the same as what they used in the shop. like i said before, its basically what they told us to use. the foliage in the viv is fake green leaves and vines (again, what they suggested) we have a small waterfall in the viv because i know they cant see static water only moving water. we are also spraying the viv twice a day to keep the humidity up.
as they were so young i cant 'sex' them as nothing has developed properly apparently....
the symptoms they were suffering from were as folows; one would not eat or drink from day one so turned very thin, we tried to coax it into drinking from a small syringe and a small pippette but it wouldn't have it, even trying it with the smallest crickets and mealworms we had but it just wouldn't take those either. that one sadly died last night in my hand while trying to get it to drink. the other, has a very swollen left eye and now that too wont eat or drink from anything we try. it stays very still, almost lifeless in the viv and doesn't put up a fight if you attempt to handle him. he is slowly fading away and i cant help him as i dont know what to do! i'm not expecting to find him alive by the time i get in from work. like i said before the guy in the shop doen't seem to want to know, even tho i only bought them 4 days ago.

if i've missed anything then please ask and i'll try my best to answer with as much detail as possible.

A vet is probably the best solution. We can only offer suggestions based on what you tell us. Continue to mist - for at least 5 minutes at a time, and don't have a basking light on unless your home is very cold. Keep the UVB tube on for 12 hours during the day and mist, mist, and mist.

Personally, I think the store should replace your chameleons with healthy ones. It sounds like they sold you sick chams.

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1.3 veileds and 72 eggs

i just posted on chamlovers thread,Try using Critical care formula

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