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Old 07-24-2006, 01:09 PM
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Dear Lizard Experts.
I have a two-and-a-half year old male Veiled chameleon.This is my first reptile and Ive been caring for him for two years. He has developed a problem for which I need the opinion of experience. It looks as if his rectum is prolapsing after a bowel movement. This has happened twice to my knowlage. I hang him upside down by his tail and it draws back in, but there is obviously drawbacks to this situation. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the cause? Or advice to the solution? He has just been to a vet about obeisity and shortness of breath and has been on a diet lately. He eats well on crickets, a pellet of rice protein powder, green powder, vitamines and aloe juice. No kidding! He also eats juicy fruits like strawberries and watermellion. He spends most days out in a fig tree with a water drip. He comes indoors to a tree in a bedroom in the evening. He should be very healthy right???
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:14 PM
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take him to a vet NOW!!! It will become infected and he will die. This happened to my old vailed.... There is an impaction most likley and it will kill him if you dont take care of it.
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:22 PM
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If it is a problem with prolapse. The vet may need to suture the prolapse back in his body. Either way it should be seen by a vet. As for the cause on why it is happening, I could not tell you. I read on it somewhere. Others on the forum may be able to help you more.

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Old 07-24-2006, 02:39 PM
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A reoccurring prolapse, even for short periods of time, is serious enough to seek the help of a veterinarian asap. How long ago did you visit your veterinarian?

The best we can do here is look at your husbandry details and offer suggestions. This is not an immediate solution to the prolapse problem, but more of a way to help prevent problems in the future. If you want to post the details of your setup, this link has some good suggestions.
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:00 PM
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I've seen prolapses in chameleons, due to impactions, a few times. Even if the chameleon wasn't habitually overfed, one huge meal can be enough to do it (unless these individuals weren't truthful about how much they had been feeding!). From what I've seen, it seems that they can get a big bolus of food from one or two big meals, that builds up, and strains the smooth muscle tissue in the lower intestine/cloacal region as it passes.

In other words: Overfed chameleons eat oversized meals and have oversized bowel movements. This can strain the muscles, which may make prolapse more likely.

Of course, it could be a whole bunch of other things, too.
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Old 07-24-2006, 08:21 PM
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Definately Vet time.... ? though.. Are you sure it is his intestines?
Why the rice protein powder and "green" powder in his diet? How much vitamins? Do you gutload the crix?


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I've seen prolapses in chameleons, due to impactions, a few times. Even if the chameleon wasn't habitually overfed, one huge meal can be enough to do it (unless these individuals weren't truthful about how much they had been feeding!). From what I've seen, it seems that they can get a big bolus of food from one or two big meals, that builds up, and strains the smooth muscle tissue in the lower intestine/cloacal region as it passes.
I have a male panther that has had 2 intestinal prolapses and I think the cause(s) for the initial prolapse was a series of events rather than one specific instance.... But, in the case of my Archimedes, the "final straw" was 4 (appropriately sized, de-legged) hissing cockroaches at one sitting. He was in no way obese or overfed prior to this.. (I guess you will just have to take my word for that as there is no way I can prove it ;-) ) His staple diet was crix and silkworms, supplemented with hornworms, supers, wax, butter, roaches ect. and limited to aprox 5-7 insects every other to every 2 days from the time he was 10 months old.

I won't take up space giving pages of all the details, but will say his obstruction/prolapse followed a change in gutload and diet. The diet change was a loss of silkworms which made up aprox 40% of his diet... IMO, that's a lot of "juice" to miss... but, I guess that is open to debate.

I should have known better than to offer so much "chitin" at one time, especially during a time of transition..... Hindsight is always 20/20....
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Old 07-24-2006, 09:30 PM
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And to make things even more complicated - I have seen a few young chameleons with prolapses and the only thingi n common was that they had silkwomrs making up almost all of their diet.

Not enough chitin, maybe.

The hissers will do it - they have that extra hard shell, that's really wide. For hissers, I feed small.

The main thing seems to be to get a balance between soft and hard - and just the right quantity too. I've had overfed chameleons, in the past. When they are overfed, but NOT fed 20 bugs at once, they have many, modest sized BM's. If fed all at once, even a lower overall amount, they'll have onehuge BM - sure to strain the muscles a lot more than the smaller ones.
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mine have always spaced their eating out all throughout the day...grazing here and there and usually having 2-3 left over at night..they have never gone and eaten them in a binge
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Old 07-25-2006, 02:15 PM
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Thanks so much for all the advise. It seems to be unamious that I am feeding him to much to fast. This is true, I do that in hopes of giving him his space to digest and not be in his face so much.
Goolu is still going to the vet today and I am getting him some antibiotics just in case he has gotten an infection. His rectum looked very red when it prolapsed slightly again yesterday. He will also be on a leasure dining schedule instead of a stuff and run. Thanks again for all the info and such quick responses!
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Old 07-25-2006, 02:26 PM
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I know im going to get hammered for this...but...are you sure its his rectum and not his sexual organ that is coming out?
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