Panther Chameleon Eye Crust

Rachella

New Member
Hey folks. My BF and I are the proud parents of a panther chameleon. He's about 5 months old, we've had him for one month. We're not entirely new to the chameleon owning area, we had a graceful chameleon that we managed to keep healthy for a full year, which is amazing from what we've heard. That was two years ago, though, and we decided to try our luck again.

Anyways, his name is Toshi. He seems to be in relatively good health, except today when we came home. His left eye where you normally see his pupil was crusted over. We immediately gave him a good misting, and now thirty minutes later the crust is nearly gone and he's opening it just fine. He's been alert and moving during this time, and did not enjoy his shower one bit. I thought I'd post here regardless just to give a heads up and to ask for any suggestions. Here's his info.

Cage Info:

* Cage Type - Combo cage with ten gallon glass bottom, and a double wiring on top. See pics on bottom of the post. We bought the top part from a local family owned store. One of their employee's actually made and used it for his own chameleon.
What are the dimensions? - 27 inches long, 20 tall and 10 wide
* Lighting - We're currently using a 26w Exo Terra Repti-Glo 5.0 UVB, and his basking light is a 60w bulb we have in a reflecter dome. His lights come on around 9 AM and off around 9 PM.
* Temperature - Cage floor temperature is about 78 degrees, up closer to the basking light would be around 85-90. We're using a digital thermometer.
* Humidity - When we bought him, the breeder (who seemed to know what he was doing) told us that for panther chameleons humidity was not so important. However, I want to know otherwise, so I accept any and all suggestions. He's misted a few times a day, and our apartment is a "below ground" apartment, with a little more humidity than normal, if that helps.
* Plants - No, but we will soon be using a golden pothos and I'm currently researching the safety of a Peperomia "Tricolor" magnolifolia. It's listed as safe on the toxic plant list, but I'd like opinions on it as well!
* Location - The cage is in the kitchen, where we have a ceiling fan going for the majority of the time. Traffic is.. ..so-so. We walk in for drinks and to eat and cook, and my BF sits on his computer in there (mostly hidden by his monitors). I'd say the top of the tank is about ... 5'4 off the floor.


Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon - Toshi is a blue bar panther chameleon, about five months old, and male. We've had him about a month.
* Handling - Never. He's not a very chatty fellow.
* Feeding - Toshi gets a diet of roughly 10 medium to large crickets a day, dusted with calcium every other day. I've JUST got in some phoenix worms I want to try him on though. I'm trying to get all my lizards switched to them as a staple. He's usually fed in the morning, and has actually realized this by waiting towards the lower half of his tank shortly after the lights are on. The crix are gut loaded with fresh veggies and fish flakes for protein.
* Supplements - I dust the crix with repti cal calcium every other day for Toshi. The phoenix worms will not get dusted with calcium due to having an already balanced calcium to phos count.
* Watering - He's misted with a fine mist spray two-three times a day. Usually we do it like a shower, gently spraying back and forth over his tank until he shows interest, at which time we slow it down to drips right where he chooses to drink. Yes he does drink. We usually do this for about 5-10 minutes.
* Fecal Description - He poops often, and it seems to be of a good consistency with healthy looking white bits. He hasn't been tested for parasites, being born in captivity the breeder said there'd be no chance of it because of how he took care of his chams.
* History - Uuuhhhmmm.. Not too much history. Until now he's been pretty normal for us. :)
* Current Problem - The pupil area of his left eye was crusted over when we arrived home today. He couldn't open it until we misted him, in which the crust finally gave way. Now he's opening it fine it seems. But we want to be careful.

Review the images below for the tank setup and the chameleon. Any suggestions are welcome, and I'm currently trying to get my bf to agree to purchase an all screened tank, as well as trying to get the humidity situation worked out. The breeder said he wouldn't worry about it, but I think we should.

This is a pic of him the day we got him, and is the ONLY time we've handled him. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1028.jpg

These are images of his enclosure, I apologize for the sideway ones. =/
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1057.jpg
Top part
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1058.jpg
Bottom part (we just misted)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1059.jpg

His good eye
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1060.jpg
The one that had crusted over
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1061.jpg
Top view
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1062.jpg
extra view
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/rachellajh/panther/HPIM1063.jpg

Now these images were all taken like ten minutes ago, so he is still active as you can see. Except for the fact he froze at the camera, silly fellow.
 
is the uvb light u're using spiral like this?
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Please get rid of the compact UVB. There is a very good chance that his eye issue is being caused by that. Get a linear flouresent tube style light. The compacts are proven to be dangerous!
 
there has been a lot of controversy over these types of bulbs. Many of the owners here will recommend getting rid of the the CFL type of bulb and favor the tube light like a 5.0. this may be THE reason for your Chams eye problem. Consider immediate DC of the CFL until you can get a tube type of light....in the mean time some out door time if possible with some shade to keep you cham from over heating....

Nice Cham BTW

Hope that helps

OPI
 
I agree it may be the bulb you are using...it is been proven to cause blindness in some. Also live plants will help raise your humidity A LOT. It would be easy to hang a pothos from the top of your cage..it looks pretty sturdy. We really like umbrella plants. They are nice and bushy and all of our chams seem to appreciate the extra coverage to hide in. Also someone mentioned LLL Reptile website, they have pretty cheap cages, and some are on sale right now! You might want to think about ordering one while they're cheap as your little guy will be needing an upgrade pretty soon. BTW he is a little cutie :p
 
I just checked the 24x24x48 cages are on sale for 79.99 instead of 99.99 like they normally are. Also, chams tend to have a hard time digesting phoenix worms and you will often see them whole in their poo. If you use them prick them with a pin before feeding, but they will have to eat them real quick because the do die pretty quickly after being pricked. Hope this helps you some.
 
wh00t lots of nice replies when I got back. :) Thanks everyone!

I don't mind returnin' that light at all, the damn thing with its fixture cost us fifty bucks. We'll try to return it tomorrow and get a more suitable light like the one ya'll mentioned.

Hopefully this'll keep his eye problem from occurring again. I'm a bit anxious for the mornin' time t'see if it remained cleared up. If not we'll probably give him a warm shower again.

Thanks for the compliments on Toshi, he's really a pretty guy, just not very sociable. Which is a little disappointin', givin' the graceful chameleon we had actually enjoyed being out of her enclosure rather than in it.. but we understand they're really just to be pretty and healthy, not entirely sociable like other pets.

Other than the light and the humidity bit, anymore suggestions?
 
It was definately crusty. Like the sleep you'd have in your eye in the morning. It covered all of the pupil area, the middle of his eye. We could see him moving his eye around and 'blinking' to try and loosen it. Once we misted him, it became more gooey and eventually he got it off, though it kiiiiiinda looks like he may've gotten a little -in- his eye?? We're not sure about it, but we're going to check him again real closely tomorrow to see.

If by some chance he did get it in his eye, is he able to get it out, or should we intervene?
 
I see. I was having a problem with my panther where his eye would "goo" over, and he wouldn't be able to close it or open it completely. I got an eye dropper with some lukewarm water and let it drip onto his eye, allow it to sit for a minute, then GENTLY rubbed it with a qtip that I had dipped in lukewarm water. I would drip MORE water, and he would be perfectly fine again.
 
consider giving your cham a shower for the next few days...it will help to keep his eye clean... good luck

Glad to hear he's doing better

OPI:D
 
Mkay so two days now and no new crust, although it still looks like he may have a small peice on the lip of his eyelid where his eye is. Should we just let him blink it out or try to get it manually? NOTE, this chameleon does NOT like to be touched or held and -will- try to bite us if we tried to get to him.

Also, I went out and returned the compact bulb I had previously. I ended up buying this fixture for it:
http://www.petco.com/product/14564/...e-Fixture-with-Desert-7-percent-UVB-Lamp.aspx
I will be removing the plastic cover, obviously.

However, I -also- bought this light to exchange:
Exo Terra Repti-Glo 5.0 Tube Thingy

My question is, is the light that came with the fixture any good? Or should I just put the repti glo in there?

I may be returning the fixture, as I just read I can buy an 'under the counter' light fixture for like 5-10 bucks at lowes and home depot. Just gotta hope they have them and if they are that cheap that they'll fit the bulb. :)
 
i have the same spiral bulb..... sun glo 5.0

Changing to a linear tube lamp from Zoo Med is a good idea. I would buy the Zoo Med ReptiSun 5.0.

Buy a tube long enough to cover the top of the cage.... If you have a 24" wide cage, a 18" tube is fine. If you have a 24" fixture... then buy that size tube.... You just want to give a good cover of light.

Check out the UV Guide website... You can learn a lot about UV needs for your chams at this site.
 
The reptiGlo tube will be fine if you use a fixture with a reflector and do not have a dense screen between the cham and the tube. I used ReptiGlo for over then years, with total success. But the ReptiSUN is the superior tube, so next time try to get that.

You do not want to have a staple food prey of any one insect, such as crickets, making up the majority of the chameleons diet. You want to provide variety. Silkworms, crickets, roaches, moths, stick insects, zophoba moria (aka superworms), terrestrial isopods, butterworms..... and you want to gutload the prey well. Inadequate gutloading, limited prey, low humidity, and inadequate supplementing (in balance with gutloading) can also cause eye problems.

more about feeders and gutloading
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/74-feeders.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html
 
my panther has a clear goo in one of his eyes, any suggestions on what caused it and how to fix it?
 
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