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Old 07-01-2011, 06:07 AM
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Nutrobal Dusting Powder

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I'm using Nutrobal powder to dust crickets and wax worms with for my 4 month old Panther (Pepe). Would you recommend using another powder or mineral supplement? for D3 etc? I dust his food with Nutrobal every other day.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:42 AM
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Hi all,

I'm using Nutrobal powder to dust crickets and wax worms with for my 4 month old Panther (Pepe). Would you recommend using another powder or mineral supplement? for D3 etc? I dust his food with Nutrobal every other day.
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Firstly, I'd recommend not offering waxworms, certainly not on a regular basis. They are low in nutrition, high in fat. Instead use well gutloaded locust, butterworms, silkworms, superworms, roaches, stick insects...

Nutribal I believe already contains D3, (as well as preformed vitamin A ) You'll need to read the ingreditent list to verify.
I know some members use Nutribal exclusively. But I would recommend using it only 2-3 times a week, and using a calcium only (no d3) powder the other days. I'm assuming you are feeding daily, given it is a young animal.

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Old 07-01-2011, 11:15 AM
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Firstly, I'd recommend not offering waxworms, certainly not on a regular basis. They are low in nutrition, high in fat. Instead use well gutloaded locust, butterworms, silkworms, superworms, roaches, stick insects...

Nutribal I believe already contains D3, (as well as preformed vitamin A ) You'll need to read the ingreditent list to verify.
I know some members use Nutribal exclusively. But I would recommend using it a 2-3 times a week, and using a calcium only (no d3) powder the other days. I'm assuming you are feeding daily, given is is a young animal.

i would NOT use nutroal 3 times a week as your cham will overdose on vitamins, hypervitaminosis can cause organ disfunction, there is preformed vitamin A and vitamin D3 in nutrobal and it will cause problems if used to often, if you live in the usa i would use herptivite, obviously gutloading is a must also. i am from the uk, herptivite is not usually available here but i did aquire some at the beginning of the year from a uk based supplier who imported it from the usa
i have read from two breeders in the uk who say not to use nutrobal with panther chameleons.

hope this helps
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:47 PM
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i would NOT use nutroal 3 times a week as your cham will overdose on vitamins, hypervitaminosis can cause organ disfunction, there is preformed vitamin A and vitamin D3 in nutrobal and it will cause problems if used to often,..
you sure? Ive been told the quantity of D3 and other vitamins is quite low in this product, and thus it can be used quite often.

At least we both agree that using only this product isnt the way to go.
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would you use a reptile vitamin supplement 3 times a week?, there is no way i would wether the animal is young, mature or ill, that amount of vitamins given as often as previously said will soon lead to hypervitaminosis and eventually death.

i personally think that gutloading is the way to go and use a reptile vitamin supplement (hertivite) maybe every 2 weeks, maybe use a different vitamin supplement (reptivite) the 2 weeks after so you are ensureing they are getting the best from both brands, remember the term used is dusting so you only need a small amount, i rely on gutloading with fresh fruit and veg mainly to be honest, obviously i use calcium to dust feeders also.

i know advice is conflicting all the time with chameleons as with other animals, but i use what works for me, i know nutrobal shouldnt be used all the time because i have had females develope edema from nutrobal because of too much vit A. if your cham does seem to have gular edema then stop all vitamin supplements and administer plenty of water daily via a pipette ot dripper, mister etc.

i know of 2 breeders right now who will NOT use nutrobal with panthers. these are big breeders and are not just producing a clutch or 2.

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Old 07-01-2011, 05:04 PM
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i have never heard of any one using nutrobal everyday or even 3 times a week, ive never used it 3 times in a month with 1 animal. i hope we are all on the same page here, im talking about vetark nutrobal. i know its D3 level is quite low compared to other products but i dont think it should be used every day or 3 times a week, if im wrong please let me know as i love to learn about these animals.

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would you use a reptile vitamin supplement 3 times a week?
It depends entirely on how much D3 is in the product of course. Do you know the ingredients/analysis for Nutrolbol?

I personally use Rep-Cal with D3 twice a month. The Rep-cal product is VERY potent. If the information I have about Nutrobol is accurate, using that product two- three times per weekly would be equivalent to the amount of D3 than I am using - just spread out more.

I think the preformed vitamin A question one that may concern me more.

Other factors include what does the OP gutload with, is the chameleon ever outside, what type of chameleon is it, etc. We really dont have sufficient info to give a clear answer.

Fowlers, Do these breeders you speak of say WHY they dont like the Nutrobol? It would be interesting to hear from them.

Jansenkos - can you list out the nutirional analysis of the Nutrobol please?
Also, you may find the information in this blog entry useful: http://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs...pplements.html
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I have used Nutrabol in the past. I have only ever used it once a week though. When Amy was small she was getting plain calcium every day and Nutrabol on Sundays. Now I have switched to a different brand as the tub is smaller and there isn't so much wasted. However, the breeder used only Nutrabol on the babies before I got Amy and he grew them slowly. She has grown into a healthy adult.
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Hi guys, I'm new! Got my first 4 months old Panther yesterday! :-)
I've been told to dust the crickets with Nutrobal everytime I feed him!
Am I doing the right thing?
Thank you!
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:53 AM
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My panther is 5 months old I use nutrobal 1 every other week ,and calcium every other day , but when he was younger I used nutrobal 2 times a week and calcium every day
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