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Old 01-23-2010, 12:16 AM
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Jackson chameleon hurt leg

Well i really don't know where to start this thread...

My jackson chameleon hasn't been eating well so i had bought him some house fly's. I gave him some fly's and he was eating them up. I got home yesterday after doing some er ins and noticed a bubbly substance that i am sure was his puke. It had a couple partially digested fly's in it. The fly's in the cage appeared to be hovering around him and the puke, and looked to be bothering him. Therefore, i removed the fly's. For the rest of the evening he wouldn't move and stayed darker colors and never went lower in the cage like he normally does to sleep. I assumed he was stressed over the fly's...

Then this morning i hand misted as i normally do, he drank a lot of water. More than normal. So i misted him several more times through out the day by hand and he drank lots from every misting. He never does this. Usually i mist him in the morning by hand and let the dripper and mist king do the job through out the day. Since i can never get him to drink from the hand mister but in the morning. Now on to the leg...

He wasn't moving still this morning. So i got him out to do a quick look over and couldn't notice anything. I was looking for bumps, lost nails, swelling, and anything else that might look abnormal. As the day went on his leg seemed to start to swell. Today i didn't see him put pressure on his leg / paw at all.

I am pretty worried about him... this is how his mothers health started to go down hill. The sad thing is i have no idea on his genetic make up. I had bought his mother from a Petsmart. She was pregnant, and to make things short we raised the babies for four months had an excellent turn out and kept the biggest male, who we call Twitch. Now he is hurt and i need help

It really stinks this happened right at the beginning of the weekend. I hope i can get my herp. vet to help me tomorrow. Being way up here in Northern country i only have one reliable vet that i can go to. Anyone else is 7+ hours for me to get to. Downstate Detroit area that is...

Like i said i don't know where to start, there is a lot of signs i think but i cant put them together. Between the excessive drinking, the puke, and now a hurt leg.


Cage Info:

* Cage Type - Home made screen/wood. 2' x 2' wide by 3.5' high
* Lighting - Reptisun two 18" one 5.0 and one 10.0 For basking i have a 75 watt soft white. (normal household bulb) They are on timers. Turn on at 7:00 and turn off at 6:30.
* Temperature -75 degrees normal temp 80 to 85 degrees basking spot. I use a digital thermometer/hydrometer. To measure temp and humidity.
* Humidity -His levels go from 55 to 70 percent. I use a humidifier to make sure i reach these levels.
* Plants - I use live plants i have two pothos and a schefrella.
* Placement - In my bedroom. Minimum traffic. I have a towel on the side of the cage that gets the traffic.
* Location - Where are you geographically located? I live in Marquette mi.


Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon - A male jacksons. A year and 6 months now. Raised him from birth.
* Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Never just to take him from his cage to the out side cage in the summer. I took him out today to observe to see if i noticed anything abnormal. Other than that just for cage cleaning.
* Feeding - I feed him roaches and supers as a staple, he also gets silkies when available, butter worms, phenixworms, and crickets. I offer food every other day.
* Supplements - I use rep-cal calcium every other feeding. Rep-cal calcium with D3 once a month unless he has been outside a lot. And finally, reptivite once every other month.
* Watering - He has a auto mister runs 4 times a day. 3 times at 10 minutes and 1 time at 5 mins. I also hand mist in the morning because i have never scene him drink from anything else but the drops from the mist bottle. I buy culligan water from walmart.
* Fecal Description - Brown poo, his urates are normally mostly white.
* History - I raised him from birth. He has always been real active and strong.

I know this picture isn't good but i didn't want to keep flashing him in a time where he needs the most rest. You can tell that he isn't using it and looks swollen.

Please any advise is good advise
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:27 AM
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Well it is definitely swollen, easy to tell. As for the reasons, I really can't see anything in your husbandry that screams error... like most other people. Then again your a senior member, so ya probly know a thing or two about chams

Perhaps he fell? Its not uncommon for a perfectly healthy chameleon to misjudge distances every now and then. A fall to the bottom of the cage may have fractured his limb? Just a theory.

Best bet is to take him to your vet. He obviously needs something done, best to leave it in the hands of the doc.

You said something similar happened to his mother? perhaps it could be genetic? Did you have her autopsied? I would be really curious to know what is the matter with your guy. Knowledge is the best form of preventative medicine.

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Old 01-23-2010, 12:39 AM
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I'm sooo sorry to hear about Twitch . There definitely doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his set up. Could he have ingested something toxic? If he's vomiting it sounds like he definitely ate something that didn't agree with him but that still doesn't explain what's going on with his leg. When did he start acting sick? Also it sounds like he's dehydrated maybe from vomiting? I would try to get some pedeolyte (sp?) in him to get his fluids up. I really feel for you. I can't imagine if Triton was ill and the vet was closed.
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:50 AM
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I was just checking out the toxicity of the Schefflera plant and it says that it causes Vomiting, numbness and tingling of the mouth, lack of coordination. Skin irritation after contact with cell sap. According to the aspca it's toxic to cats and dogs http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison...chefflera.html
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Schefsp.htm http://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu...nt/Tox-COM.htm

Twitch might have inadvertently ingested the sap, had a reaction and fell and hurt his leg

Here is a number for ASPCA that might help...worth a try maybe?How much does it cost to use the APCC hotline?

The ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center hotline operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, at (888) 426-4435. There is a $65 consultation fee, payable by credit card, for this service. This includes follow-up consultation should you or your vet need further assistance with your pet’s case.
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:50 AM
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Well it is definitely swollen, easy to tell. As for the reasons, I really can't see anything in your husbandry that screams error... like most other people. Then again your a senior member, so ya probly know a thing or two about chams

Perhaps he fell? Its not uncommon for a perfectly healthy chameleon to misjudge distances every now and then. A fall to the bottom of the cage may have fractured his limb? Just a theory.

Best bet is to take him to your vet. He obviously needs something done, best to leave it in the hands of the doc.

You said something similar happened to his mother? perhaps it could be genetic? Did you have her autopsied? I would be really curious to know what is the matter with your guy. Knowledge is the best form of preventative medicine.

Best of Luck Mate,

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Thanks for the reply. I unfortunately never had his mother autopsied. She got knots in her joints, gout / fractures. I couldn't nurse her back into good health after the birth she just kept decreasing in health no matter what i did. I believe she was pregnant at a young age. She was a small female. Also, like i said i know nothing on her genetic make up therefore, have no clue on this guys make up. He could be an inbred for all i know. Pretty worried about the poor guy though... you get attached. I will keep you posted.
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:00 AM
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I was just checking out the toxicity of the Schefflera plant and it says that it causes Vomiting, numbness and tingling of the mouth, lack of coordination. Skin irritation after contact with cell sap. According to the aspca it's toxic to cats and dogs http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison...chefflera.html
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Schefsp.htm http://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu...nt/Tox-COM.htm

Twitch might have inadvertently ingested the sap, had a reaction and fell

Thanks for the reply, this is very interesting. I have been having to clip the leaves on my plant because it is getting big for the cage. I wonder if he did ingest some of the sap or something. hmmmm... i got this plant because it was suppose to be safe, and i read that the sap from the ficus tree can cause eye irritation.
Really though thanks for the kind reply this does really stink... i feel so bad that this happened.
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:06 AM
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Because i am going to be going to the vet here ASAP what should i make sure they do for him? What can they do for a broken / leg? What kind of meds should i steer clear of, and what ones should i make sure he gets. If i could get this info before i have to go to the vet it would be great.
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:25 AM
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I wish I had something I could tell you that might help unfortunately my guy hasn't had to go to the vet yet. The only thing I would suggest is to keep him well hydrated with pedeolyt and water to get his fluids and trace minerals and electrolytes back up and if he did ingest something it would help flush it out a little until you get to the vets. Just like when a child vomits they get dehydrated quickly and then once that starts they go down hill fast. The first thing they do at the hospital is put them on a saline drip to replace fluids. He might have just sprained his leg a little. Hopefully it's nothing serious
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I wish I had something I could tell you that might help unfortunately my guy hasn't had to go to the vet yet. The only thing I would suggest is to keep him well hydrated with pedeolyt and water to get his fluids and trace minerals and electrolytes back up and if he did ingest something it would help flush it out a little until you get to the vets. Just like when a child vomits they get dehydrated quickly and then once that starts they go down hill fast. The first thing they do at the hospital is put them on a saline drip to replace fluids. He might have just sprained his leg a little. Hopefully it's nothing serious
I love your positive way of thinking! I always think of the worst. What is this pedeolyt? Is it easy to get?
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:47 AM
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Pedolyte is really easy to get. You can find it in any drug store, walmart and probably at a large food store. It's mostly used for children that have vomiting or diarrhea. It is found in a liquid form usually in the baby department of the drug isle. You want to get the clear bottle and use it mixed with warm water. I would do 1/2 water 1/2 pedolyte. Here are some links that describe it. http://www.drugs.com/cdi/pedialyte-solution.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedialyte

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