Issue with lobe.

On Thursday night I took Lenny to a herp meeting as a 'show and tell' item for a presentation Elisa was giving. I haven't handled Lenny in a few days... and I noticed a discoloring on her right lobe. Renee had noted some rough housing between Lenny and her tree mate, Chris. She did not see exactly what the conflict was... just some rustling in the tree, so I do not think it is related to the issue at hand.

Here are some pics of her lobes. It does not look like she has a bite... Looks more like a burn to me... But would like some input from others.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b271/cornflakep3/Chameleon Pics/Lenny/IMG_0797.jpg




Underside of right lobe, the one with the issue.





Underside of left lobe.

First I'd like to say I'm not a vet and I can't promisse my gudgement is the right one.

But it doesn't look like a burning wound to me. When chameleons burn in almost all the cases the scales turn black and also very often the scale structure can't be seen anymore. In this case you can see the structure very clean and even some coloration.

When looking under the lobes you see almost no damage With a burnwound the damage would be visseble hear as well. And when burned you should aspect a part of the body to be burned as well and there is no damage at all.

When it true they had a hassle it might be from and injury due to setting up her lobes. Many things could have happend such as a bitewound but also that the lobe hit a branch and it's like a bruise wound. And I think you'r right it's no bitting wound as then I also would aspect damage at the backside of the lobe.

But the only person who can give a good advise would be a vet.

It looks like a bruise to me.....When Mr Ester was eating when I first got him And the vet was having me give him neocal, he got a bruise that looked just like this on his gular from me having to tug it to get him to open his mouth(I learned afterwards that it is best to use a rubber spatula to pry the mouth open. The vet is who vecommended pulling down on the gular). It stayed for about a week or so and then just went away.

Howdy Kevin,

As others have noted; I don't think it is a burn either. For example, the dorsal crest area that is right next to the affected area shows no signs of burn damage. That area is even more susceptible to being burned. Take more photos today and compare them to last night's photos to look for any noticeable changes; better or worse, to decide what to do next. "Point and Shoot" digital cameras do a pretty good job in Macro mode of getting super close-up shots. See what details of the damage might pop-out with digital macro shots .

Dave Weldon said:

Howdy Kevin,

As others have noted; I don't think it is a burn either. For example, the dorsal crest area that is right next to the affected area shows no signs of burn damage. That area is even more susceptible to being burned. Take more photos today and compare them to last night's photos to look for any noticeable changes; better or worse, to decide what to do next. "Point and Shoot" digital cameras do a pretty good job in Macro mode of getting super close-up shots. See what details of the damage might pop-out with digital macro shots .

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My PAS is a POS But, I will take more shots as time goes to document changes.

summoner12 said:

My PAS is a POS But, I will take more shots as time goes to document changes.

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Howdy Kevin,

Actually those shots are great! I just thought that if your PAS has a Macro mode it would let you get even closer for a lot more detail .

That was with Macro

lol see... a POS.... but ill bump the rez and see how close I can get.

I just lost my Melleri to the same thing.

I think this lobe issue is turning out to be a burn... Still working with it though.

Yes... it was a burn. Lenny is losing parts of her lobes All the guys that go this marking on their lobes are losing that section of lobe. Some have only minor burns and some have more...

Henry had a burn on his rear left hip and it looked kinda weird... It must not have been a very bad burn because it is healing up nicely.

Anyone with melleri... you really need to watch your temps and lamps... even if teh temp seems good melleri find a way to get close....

summoner12 said:

Anyone with melleri... you really need to watch your temps and lamps... even if teh temp seems good melleri find a way to get close....

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Ridulous ain't it? I don't even use basking lamps with mine anymore. He gets close enough to the flourescent as it is.... Sorry about Lenny's lobe.

We hang our basking lamp 16-18" above the basking area and simply use a higher wattage bulb. 75-100w usually does the trick since he spends a seemingly equal amount time all about the area. On breezier days we tend to open the windows to let the fresh air in. This usually drops the room temps to about 65-70ish and encourages him to bask for longer periods but outside of that a 100w bulb running from 18" away disperses enough of the direct energy and still warms him up.

Sorry to hear you had others that were affected. I hope everyone heals up nice and quick.

Luis

Kevin are you sure it was a burn and not necrosis due to an injury? I know you know what your doing but it really looked like it. http://www.melleridiscovery.com/

draetish said:

Kevin are you sure it was a burn and not necrosis due to an injury? I know you know what your doing but it really looked like it. http://www.melleridiscovery.com/

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I think the necrosis is from the burn... if a burn is severe enough, the cells won't regenerate.

Best of luck! He has a good owner on his side!!!

Luis. I sorta do the same, but with 75w spot lamps...

henry has his 75w spot at about 21" away and the temp probe will read a high of 105... He moves through the light like a car goes through a car wash and will leave the light once warm enough. At 21" the spot lamps light is direct... but it creates a 13-15 pool of light which is kinda wide and I think enough of a dispersal of light and heat not to cause burns similar to a cham getting up too close to a lamp.