I'd like a second opinion

Lllacher

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Your Chameleon- 6 moth old ambilobe panther male
Handling - I have been trying to take him outside a couple days a week
Feeding - Large crickets and hornworm most of the time. 6-8 crickets and one hornworm per day, in the afternoon. Crickets gut loaded with a variety including spirulina, romaine, carrots, blueberries, apple, strawberry, watermelon
Supplements - I dust crickets daily with zoomed calcium without D3, and twice a month with D3
Watering - monsoon automatic mister, for 60 seconds every three hours. I have never seen him drink.
Fecal Description - up until this week, he has had large dark brown poops with bright white urates. This week they have gotten lighter and smaller, and urates are a bit orangey.
History - I've had hi a little over three weeks. I purchased him from a local breeder

Cage Info:
Cage Type - 2x2x4 reptibreeze that has been modified to a 2x2x2 in order to acclimate him and ensure he is able to eat. (He was eating good and big enough to have a larger cage, so I planned to make the cage full size last weekend, but that is when he started to go downhill)
Lighting - exo terra dual hood with a 5.0 UVB bulb and a plant light. Two 35watt bulbs for heat. Lights automatically turn on at 7 am and off at 7pm
Temperature - 89 at highest basking point, 77 ambient. infrared temp gauge to measure.
Humidity - usually around 50%, more right after misting. I use a flukers analog hygrometer to measure
Plants- As for live, I've only got a small pothos and a bromeliad in there now. I've got a money tree and hibiscus ready for the full size cage though. I have some artificial vines for hiding spaces as well.
Placement - This is a concern area... His cage is next to the couch and currently on the floor. We have a window air conditioner in the same room about four feet away (vents not blowing in his direction, cannot feel any breeze or coolness). Room temperature stays about 70 even with AC. Is he stressed being in the living room? My intention was that he would get used to is and comfortable being around people, but maybe he's too sensitive??

I've had my little guy for three weeks now and a week after getting him I noticed him gaping. I did not see and spit bubbles so my breeder said not to worry, he may just be mad or regulating heat (he would mostly do it while basking, but randomly in other spots as well). He was fine all last week and I thought things had gotten better. He was eating great and responding positively to handling. He shed on Friday so he ate very little on Thursday and Friday. Afterwards he only ate two-three crickets. Yesterday he ate one hornworm. Then last night after he was sleeping, I saw a decent amount of bubbly/foamy spit coming out of his mouth. He also did the popping noise every once in a while. This morning he was very normal, no gaping or bubbles.
I took him to the vet this afternoon and would like some feedback on the vets recommendations. At the vet he was very active and the vet said that was a good sign. He gave him panacur, saying that's what he always does just to be sure he has no parasites (I did not have a stool sample because he hasn't been eating, so no poop today). He also gave him a vitamin b injection to stimulate his appetite. As for the RI, he gave him the first of 6 baytril skin injections. He said the skin injections are the best way to give the meds, injecting feeders and/or via mouth are not effective.
What do you think? I felt a little intimidated, so I just went with his suggestions. Is the baytril, ok? Should I administer it a different way?
Also, what am I doing wrong to cause the RI? I know the first thing I need to do once he's better is extend his cage and put it on a stand. I just don't want to do anything now, until he's back to his old self.
 
Window AC is your culprit. Get him up on a stand in a better location. Baytril and Panacur are your standards. If he is bubbling and gaping, with a window unit four feet away, he 's got RI most likely. Sounds like the vet isn't the best, but is on the right track. Finish up his meds. Keep hydrated!!!! Baytril can be brutal on kidneys. Keep us posted with updates. Good luck. Side note, thanks for going with the 48" not the 36" cage.
 
Thank you for the advice. Do you think we should wait until he's done with his meds, or just move him ASAP? I don't want to keep adding to the problem, but I don't want to stress him out by switching up his environment either.
On a positive note:
He ate two hornworms this morning right after the lights went on! Im so happy to see he is already turning around!

Thanks again!
 
Thank you for the advice. Do you think we should wait until he's done with his meds, or just move him ASAP? I don't want to keep adding to the problem, but I don't want to stress him out by switching up his environment either.
On a positive note:
He ate two hornworms this morning right after the lights went on! Im so happy to see he is already turning around!

Thanks again!

My suggestion is move him immediately! It will not be stressful to improve his conditions - it will help him recover quicker. Get him up off the floor and move him to a different room away from the A/C and traffic. In my experience, I moved my Panther to the living room around 6 months of age (I'm barely home...so not much traffic at all...) and after a few days noticed his behaviour change. He was acting very stressed and not eating. After a week of that I moved him back into the bedroom he was in previously and his behaviour returned to normal. They prefer privacy - it's not really in their nature to 'get used to' being around people. Since then I've had no issues with my male.

I'm glad to hear he's showing some improvement. I also suggest watching temps. closely after you relocate him. They will likely shoot up a bit with not having the A/C in the room and may need light re-adjustment. But I'm sure you already know that. :)

Good luck getting your guy back in good health.
 
You said, "what am I doing wrong to cause the RI?" Don't beat up on yourself, chances are he had a RI long before you got him! They can incubate for a long time without showing signs. The things you did observe most likely were beginning signs that can look like overheating, stress, etc. So please do not be hard on yourself because you immediately took him for help when CLASSIC signs appeared. That was the best thing to do. Also as far as cage placement, don't wait. Move him higher and also Baytril will dehydrate your cham so lots of mistings but making sure cage dries out between each properly (depending on whether its viral or bacterial you want to avoid optimal conditions for them to grow, i.e. hot and wet). Monitor basking temps so that its optimal for him always. Hope he makes a full recovery soon, keep us posted :D
 
Window AC is your culprit. Get him up on a stand in a better location. Baytril and Panacur are your standards. If he is bubbling and gaping, with a window unit four feet away, he 's got RI most likely. Sounds like the vet isn't the best, but is on the right track. Finish up his meds. Keep hydrated!!!! Baytril can be brutal on kidneys. Keep us posted with updates. Good luck. Side note, thanks for going with the 48" not the 36" cage.

I am curious why a window AC 4 feet away that is not blowing on the cage would cause a respiratory infection. Do you have some information about this?
 
I spoke with my breeder today and she suggested turning off the mister all together for a while and using just a dripper. Do you guys agree? I bought a dripper today to use IN ADDITION to the mistings while he's on meds, but if it's best to stop the misting all together, I'll do that instead.

Also, I have already moved and elevated his cage, and I expanded it to the full size. Now there is a live money tree and a hibiscus in there to help keep humidity up. He's already hanging out in the money tree. :) Thanks for the advice about switching the cage right away, definitely the right choice!
 
I am curious why a window AC 4 feet away that is not blowing on the cage would cause a respiratory infection. Do you have some information about this?
I've had my A/C running in my room about 3 feet away from my cham's cage (not in the direction of the blower) and he's got no problems...
 
I've had my A/C running in my room about 3 feet away from my cham's cage (not in the direction of the blower) and he's got no problems...

I also use a portable AC in my chameleon room in the summers as it is very hot here and its the only way to keep ambient temperatures down. The AC tends to drop humidity a bit so I am curious why others think it causes respiratory infections. The most common cause I have heard for RI is humidity levels being too high and cages not completely drying out between mistings. The high humidity and warm temperature allows for bacterial growth and hence infections. A respiratory infection is either viral or bacterial so you would want to look for a reason to have growth of bacteria or a source for a virus.

In the OP's case as they only had the chameleon for 1 week prior to the symptoms appearing, it seems more likely that the chameleon came with the infection.
 
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