I was wondering if someone could link me to a site that has good desriptions and visual refence to the different Locales of Panther... With a map would be even better! The best refernce I have found so far is on the Screameleons website... But is pretty brief.

Reason being... I bought my guy McLovin as a Nosy Be/Ambilobe, and I always believed he resembled a blue bar ambilobe... He will be a year old July 7, and he had a great shed yesterday, when he was done... He was showing some new colors! His blue Bars are starting to look dark purple and I noticed something on him I never had before that started to confuse me a bit, He has a nice Dark Blue/Purple U on his back that is a lot more noticable now. I had always thought that this was a Sambava trait? I will try to get a pic up tonight... For now all I have is one from about 2 months back before his shed. The U was not as distint as it is now... but it is there. Thoughts?

I am of the oppinion that a Furcifer Pardalis is a Furcifer Pardalis regardless of where it is from or what colors they rock. I just think it is awesome that we have the option of different paint jobs.

I know we have no way of pinpointing exactly what local mix he is... I just thought it would be interesting to get some oppinions... Is it possible his Grandma got busy with a Sambava somewhere along the line... Or does that U just show up sometimes?

Another question... and I would like to have this as kind of a pole but can't figure out how to do it... I think Brad has to do it... but I will pose the question here. I am waiting for my Female Nosy to become receptive cause I was planning on breeding him becasue he is so gorgeous... Not trying to get rich... Just expanding my hobby, but I will need to be able to find homes for babies. Since I would be selling primarily to people on this site...How many of you would stray from buying a nice looking Cross compared to a suposed "True" Nosy or Ambilobe. I don't want to end up with a clutch of unwanted Chams. (I would keep them ALL if I didn't have a beautiful woman keeping my feet on the ground and my hobby in check.)
It seems like some really frown on Crossing, But it seems like this is the only reptile I have encountered so far in the industry where crosses sell for Cheaper. With snakes, Crossing like this is the key to getting the Morphs that EVERYONE wants.

Lets Hear It!!!

Edit: Oops forgot to show you a pic of McLovin'

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Where do I start? A lot of us wouldn't be bothered with a cross because we like to breed locales and try to keep that true. And you will find it difficult to sell them here or anywhere else. Most people don't trust breeders that cross breed from fear of buying a cross when you don't want one. You might find one or two people that would want one, but who knows if they would be forthcoming with there clutches as you are. I know that I would only buy specific locales from a reputable breeder. In this hobby reputation is everything.

Reptile Depot or LLL will always buy ur chams for wholesale should you not be able to unload them to people who want to buy cross chams; $20 per panther woo hoo!!! I stay far far away from crossed locals!!! I guess my vote would be a no.

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McLovin is a good lookin panther and has a badass name haha kudos!

i just bought a pather cross from kammers (cross 84.375% Ambanja x 9.375% Tamatave 6.25% Nosy Be ) i cant wait to get him and see his colors if the half of what McLovins are i will be sattisfied!

What price are you selling the offspring for ? and what is the dam?

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Thanks Dean and Chad... I always appreciate your input. Just to make it clear, Dean, you stated that "A lot of us wouldn't be bothered with a cross because we like to breed locales and try to keep that true"...You were meaning that alot of you would steer away from getting a cross, correct? It makes a lot of sense about not buying a specific Locale from someone who also breeds crosses... I could see how that could be a gamble. I do agree that rep is everything here, and the last thing I want is to produce a cross clutch and get accused of "polluting the marketplace". Or try to produce a true blooded Ambilobe later down the line with different stock and not be able to find buyers becasue people are worried they might be crossed. SIGHHHHHH... Man the decisions. I do understand the allure of a true blooded Locale.. but it bothers me a little when the maket revolves so much around that something that nobody can absolutley guarantee, they can only take thier best guess... But I guess it is what it is.

I don't think I would ever sell a lutch to LLL or Rep Depot... or any pet shop. why? Dunno... Just wouldn't feel right about it... I would want to make sure anyone buying my chams gets all the info and support they need... And I wouldn't rely on those places to provide that.

So the dilemma... McLovin Hasn't seen a female in over a month since the last time I tested her receptivness... And with what I am learning I may decide not to breed him at all...But the poor guy is Jonesing for some play... When I open up his cage to feed him he occasionally bobs his head at me.. With no other chams in sight. It's like hes beggin me to set him up with someone that will put out. I love this guy as a serious pet/part of the family... By far the coolest Cham I have owned to date, which is where my drive to breed him comes in. I would feel bad keeping him a virgin his whole life...

Thoughts?? Anyone know where I can buy Panther Blow up Dolls????

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Thanks Weggs! Appreciate the compliments.

I actually have not bred him yet... Still deciding if it will happen.. If it does I will definately let you know the particulars.

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Yeah, don't sell them to reptile depot. If you breed them, you want those babies to go to good homes and the depot is not the place for them to be

I think to some of us less hard-core chameleon owners a cross would be pretty cool. I think it would be interesting to see how they turned out. Kind of a mistery as what it was going to grow up to look like. but maybe I am the only one...

imo people hesitate to buy panther chams because of the price.

you'll have to give a significant discount if you want them to go fast, or else you'll sell maybe one or two on the site and thats about it....


I imagine you couldn't charge more than 150 + shipping for a 3 month old and even that is pushing it!


however if you build a reputation and start a website, you can have those chameleons listed for a bit of a higher price and if your reputation on the board is good you are bound to get a few hits

that is why a reputable breeder can sell adult veileds for 175 +++

and here you'd have trouble getting 100 + for him unless he is special


other than that the whole thing about the crosses is pretty yesterday

the only people that care are cry babies, I always hear wahhhhhhh wahhhhhh who would want a cross bred panther wahhh wahhhh they are going to polllute the whole species and the people under then that get a cham are all going to get back to our breeding pool....the breeding pool does this naturally!

I don't know this for sure, but in the same life, a female may lay clutches from different locales of chams, which would mean the genetic variety just one female produces in life, is already higher crossed than that you'd be attempting in captivity, just don't sell to duechebags, thats where the problem starts, when people lower there price to garuntee a sale and at the same time they sell to jerky mcjerkjerk and he sells that female to someone as an ambilobe and then he pollutes his breeding program and gets pissed...

but for the most part, the average person just wants a chance to own a cross that is unique...

just my two cents....

That breakdown of percentages of each locale is seriously the funniest thing i've read/heard all day. Please tell me the Kammers didn't tell you that... lol.

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