I've got a problem!! No she has a problem!! She is obviously gravid and has been digging holes for 2 days now. She is in her laying bin and has been going from one hole to another first digging then putting her butt in then hours later starting all over again. The problem is she is very dehydrated and i'm not sure what to do. She stopped drinking 2 days ago and when i noticed she wanted to dig i made sure i gave her a couple of eye droppers full of pedialtye and water to help her along. I've sprayed the sides of the bin but she is not drinking at all. I'm really worried for her and with no vet open around i don't know what the best thing to do is. If i stop her she might get egg-bound but if i don't will she be able to lay the eggs at all? Help!!!

Debby

Good news. Hubby just checked the eggs from Tasha ( she was my female that dyed during the egg-laying process and we removed the eggs) and they are all doing awesome. We can see blood vessels!! Yeah, there will be a Tasha 2.

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When I have had a female ready to lay and I suspected she was dehydrated I would put her in a warm shower for 1 or 2 hours. Mike of Flchams did the same thing with his very gravid imported Meller's females and it worked for them, too. The shower will really saturate her with water, and also help her relax. I have even taken a female out of the laying bin to do this, and then put her back in and she laid her eggs.

ANother thought- are you certain the moisture of the laying soil is to her liking?

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I know but she is one of those gals that flips out wicked. Already tried that and she threw herself 3 x. I finally sat there and held her in the shower but i figured that wouldn't work because she wasnt' drinking or anything. Do you think i should give her the night to keep trying and then hold her in the shower for an hour? Or do you think i should stop her now and do it and then return her to the bucket? Or her cage for the night? And then start again in the morning?

Debby

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Would it work to put her in her cage and put her cage in the shower?

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Yes i could do that. Should i do that tonite do you think? I just checked on her and she is just laying in the hole butt side up.

Debby

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You said..."She is in her laying bin and has been going from one hole to another first digging then putting her butt in then hours later starting all over again"...putting her butt in the hole but not laying is IMHO a sign that she can not lay the eggs.

Have you been leaving her alone or have you handled her at all during the time she was in "digging mode"? Has she seen you watching her while she was digging?

You said she stopped drinking...this also is not a good sign.

It started the day before yesterday. She stopped eating and drinking. Even though i thought she miscarried last week i wasn't sure and knew that she might be getting ready to lay so i took her out and gave her some liquids. I feel nothing when pulpating her stomach. Yesterday am again she wouldn't drink so i took her out and again gave her some bug juice and pedialyte. When i put her back in her cage, she pooped and out came an egg. So i quickly put her bin together and put her in it. She has had privacy and she hasn't seen me checking on her. When she puts her butt in and sits for awhile but then turns and starts digging again in the same hole. Hubby says he thinks i didn't put enough, i only have 6-7". I was in such a hurry i guess i didn't pay attention. So the game plan tomorrow will be:
AM....Double the amount of stuff in laying bin
........Put her and cage inside the shower for at least an hour
.......Should i try to give her anything else? Bug Juice? Pedialyte? Or just the shower?
.......Then put her back in the bin and keep the fingers crossed.

How long do i wait? Well there is nothing i can do, vet is closed till Mon. I do have liquid calcium, should i give her an injection to help? I'm really worried about her. She is Tasha's sister.

Debby

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this sounds like a good idea... hope everything goes well for you debby...

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Surprise surprise. I showered my girl this morning and gave her some bug juice and other liquids, she still looks a little dehyd. Anyway when she was in her cage i put that in the shower and went to fix her bucket. When i added some stuff to make it deeper i reallized that was warm because i added warm water and the rest was kinda cold. So i thought take it all out and mix it. To my surprise i found 5 eggs. I don't know when she laid them but she did so i was really happy about that. It kinda tells me i might be just a overly worried mommy. So now she is back in her laying bin and has been for awhile and has been digging. I'll let you know what happens. By the way the eggs look really good so we put them in the incubator.

Thanks for all your help guys.
Debby

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Update. It is now 11 pm and she is finished and went up on the branch. She is extremely dehydrated and she never covered the hole. I don't think she layed anymore eggs although i will look later, i think she just is too dry and weak at this point. She was butt down for awhile but she has only lost 2 grams and to me that just means 2 grams of moisture. I think she will be going to the vets tomorrow am. I'll let you know.

Debby

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