Do you have to obtain a license to breed Chams?

Someone tried telling me that you have to have a license to breed chameleons. Is this true? If so , where does one locate the info to read about licensing. Do stores require one to be a licensed breeder in order to purchase Chams. If anyone can share some infor or link I would appreciate it; I have not found any trustworthy information yet'

kire

here in sandiego (california)..you do not need a breeders license to breed chameleons...and as for your location..i believe its the same..

If that is true which I highly doubt. Its strictly a local thing in your town/city. Kind of like having to have a license for your dog. Check with local county clerk or licensing dept.

Texas Panther Man said:

If that is true which I highly doubt. Its strictly a local thing in your town/city. Kind of like having to have a license for your dog. Check with local county clerk or licensing dept.

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true..i have seen certain places (like rancho santa fe..all rich upper class) if you have a dog larger than a certain size or breed, you pay a fine and are required to pay a yearly fee...maybe the same for a lizard that could be considered a threat ( a threat to local insects it would feed on, like in hawaii) if released into the wild???...

I was actually wondering this also. Was also told by someone you cant just breed them and sell them to whomever. I was told you have to go through schooling and then get a license to sell.

depends on what city or town your in when i moved to springtucky my rental company i go through tried to tell me that i needed a permit for my chams and when i looked it up it wasn't under the list for exotic pets so you might want to check with the city refrences first. but you should be good to go if they sell them then there shouldn't be any problems but do your homework first before you let your pets bump uglies.

okay I found this.....

Louisiana
Category: B*

Summary of Law: No person may possess bears, cougars, or non-human primates as "pets." If you possessed one of these animals prior to the passage of the regulation you are grandfathered in.

Is a Chameleon considered a non-human primate? 0.0

Is a Chameleon considered a non-human primate? 0.0

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fluxlizard said:

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haha..question answered then..they just arent that exotic i guess to fish,game and wildlife commitee (its usually the animals that grow beyond 6 foot and\or are venomous from what i remember)

yeah- lol sorry- you know, a primate just means monkey/ape kind of thing.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/primate

In my state at least, fish and game restricts its focus on native species and potentially invasive species.

Which is where it should focus.

If I lived someplace where licensing was required for breeding non-native, non-invasive lizards, I'd feel like I was living someplace a little too fascist and a little too anti-personal liberty and it would be time to move.

I actually used to live in a town where lizards over 30 inches had to be registered as dangerous animals. Which meant the pet shops selling baby iguanas were selling eventual potentially dangerous animals. Me and my iguana moved soon after I discovered this retarded law.

I don't even agree with lawn height laws... My sister lives in a neighborhood where vinyl siding is not allowed. I'd pull my hair out if I lived someplace like that.

That's just me though...

fluxlizard said:

yeah- lol sorry- you know, a primate just means monkey/ape kind of thing.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/primate

In my state at least, fish and game restricts its focus on native species and potentially invasive species.

Which is where it should focus.

If I lived someplace where licensing was required for breeding non-native, non-invasive lizards, I'd feel like I was living someplace a little too fascist and a little too anti-personal liberty and it would be time to move.

That's just me though...

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they do have monkey-ish feet and tails, lol

totally agree with you on that..if they where controlling non-invasive's ..that would just be retarded..

but all makes sence as i remember when chams where hard to find in hawaii..well my friend tim just got back from maui..saw lots of them and took some pics too..the chams are really starting to take over..

yeah- sometimes it serves a point, other times laws can be retarded. For example in my state you can go collect 50 newts if you want to stick them on a fishing hook and fish with them. Collect more than 5 and put them in an aquarium or heaven forbid breed them and end up with hundreds of babies, you are instantly in violation of the law. But it's OK to kill them 50 at a time on a fishing trip. Or you can collect something like 10 or 15 snapping turtles (too lazy to look up the exact number) and cook them, or a bunch of frogs to eat frog legs, but keep more than 5 in your aquarium, or breed and produce more than 5 or (gasp) try and sell them as captive bred and you are in violation of the law. But it's OK to go out and kill 10 or 15 per day for eating...

Too often herp laws are about control rather than conservation or pursuit of happiness...

On the other hand, maybe my state's laws are getting a little less rediculous- I recently read that many species you can now get permission and permit to keep and/or breed that 15 years ago you could not. Not sure how many people of pursued that, but seems hopeful... I can understand the permit system if someone is trying to breed natives so they can keep some tabs on things to make sure the operation is actually breeding and not simply collecting...

fluxlizard said:

yeah- sometimes it serves a point, other times laws can be retarded. For example in my state you can go collect 50 newts if you want to stick them on a fishing hook and fish with them. Collect more than 5 and put them in an aquarium or heaven forbid breed them and end up with hundreds of babies, you are instantly in violation of the law. But it's OK to kill them 50 at a time on a fishing trip. Or you can collect something like 10 or 15 snapping turtles (too lazy to look up the exact number) and cook them, or a bunch of frogs to eat frog legs, but keep more than 5 in your aquarium, or breed and produce more than 5 or (gasp) try and sell them as captive bred and you are in violation of the law. But it's OK to go out and kill 10 or 15 per day for eating...

Too often herp laws are about control rather than conservation or pursuit of happiness...

On the other hand, maybe my state's laws are getting a little less rediculous- I recently read that many species you can now get permission and permit to keep and/or breed that 15 years ago you could not. Not sure how many people of pursued that, but seems hopeful... I can understand the permit system if someone is trying to breed natives so they can keep some tabs on things to make sure the operation is actually breeding and not simply collecting...

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that is soo weird, but true..i remember somthing like that in oregon with the "waterdogs" they have..you can kill thousands and fish with them, or just plain shoot them, but if you keep more than 2-3 as a pet(i forget how many my grandma told me) but you will be fined and possibly face jail time..wtf?? and i remember a simailar thing in north carolina with the box turtles there..so weird..some are understandable, others are just ass backwards..

Illinois Laws

Illinois Laws are not really defined but I found this:

Maybe only if you are a pet shop owner?

225 ILCS 605/18.1)
Sec. 18.1. Sale or gift of reptiles and other animals.
•(a) A pet shop shall not sell a reptile, offer a reptile for sale, or offer a reptile as a gift or promotional consideration unless a notice regarding safe reptile?handling practices that meets the requirements in subsection (b) is (i) prominently displayed at each location in the pet shop where reptiles are displayed, housed, or held and (ii) distributed to the purchaser or recipient.
•(b) The notice regarding safe reptile-handling practices shall be one of the following:
◦(1) a notice provided at no charge by the Illinois Department of Public Health; or
◦(2) a notice that has the dimensions of at least 8.5 inches by 11 inches, that uses fonts that are clearly visible and readily draw attention to the notice, and that contains all of the following statements:
■(A) "As with many other animals, reptiles carry salmonella bacteria, which can make people sick. Safe reptile?handling steps should be taken to reduce the chance of infection."
■(B) "Always wash your hands thoroughly after you handle your pet reptile, its food, and anything it has touched."
■(C) "Keep your pet reptile and its equipment out of the kitchen or any area where food is prepared. Kitchen sinks should not be used to bathe reptiles or wash their dishes, cages, or aquariums. If a bathtub is used for these purposes, it should be cleaned thoroughly and disinfected with bleach."
■(D) "Don't nuzzle or kiss your pet reptile."
■(E) "Keep reptiles out of homes where there are children under 5 years of age or people with weakened immune systems. Children under 5 years of age or people with weakened immune systems should avoid contact with reptiles."
■(F) "Pet reptiles should not be allowed in child care centers."
■(G) "Pet reptiles should not be allowed to road freely throughout the home or living area." http://www.agr.state.il.us/Forms/AnimalHW/AW-1.pdf

This offers more laws http://www.chicagoherp.org/index.php?link=ilherplaws

In Illinois you have to have fishing license to collect turtles and aquatic life. Apparently there is a case that went to the Illinois Supreme Court, People v. Fabing, a guy had two 15 foot Burmese and a 7 ft. boa. The Court recognized there are non-poisonous reptiles capable of injuring or killing persons. Court ruled he could not have any of them because they were "life threatening animals." You also cannot sell "life threatening snakes" over six feet. You cannot sell a six foot boa but you can sell a 6 foot snake that is not life threatening or venomous. http://www.animallaw.info/articles/arus24silulj693.htm

I still have to call, and this is all I have found so far. thanks everyone

kire

Federa Law- Code of Federal Regulations

Authority: 7 U.S.C. 2131–2159; 7 CFR 2.22, 2.80, and 371.7.

Source: 54 FR 36147, Aug. 31, 1989, unless otherwise noted.

Subpart A—Licensing
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§ 2.1 Requirements and application.
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(a)(1) Any person operating or intending to operate as a dealer, exhibitor, or operator of an auction sale, except persons who are exempted from the licensing requirements under paragraph (a)(3) of this section, must have a valid license. A person must be 18 years of age or older to obtain a license. A person seeking a license shall apply on a form which will be furnished by the AC Regional Director in the State in which that person operates or intends to operate. The applicant shall provide the information requested on the application form, including a valid mailing address through which the licensee or applicant can be reached at all times, and a valid premises address where animals, animal facilities, equipment, and records may be inspected for compliance. The applicant shall file the completed application form with the AC Regional Director.

(2) If an applicant for a license or license renewal operates in more than one State, he or she shall apply in the State in which he or she has his or her principal place of business. All premises, facilities, or sites where such person operates or keeps animals shall be indicated on the application form or on a separate sheet attached to it. The completed application form, along with the application fee indicated in paragraph (c) of this section, and the annual license fee indicated in table 1 or 2 of §2.6 shall be filed with the AC Regional Director.

(3) The following persons are exempt from the licensing requirements under section 2 or section 3 of the Act:

(i) Retail pet stores which sell nondangerous, pet-type animals, such as dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, gophers, domestic ferrets, chinchilla, rats, and mice, for pets, at retail only: Provided, That, Anyone wholesaling any animals, selling any animals for research or exhibition, or selling any wild, exotic, or nonpet animals retail, must have a license;

(ii) Any person who sells or negotiates the sale or purchase of any animal except wild or exotic animals, dogs, or cats, and who derives no more than $500 gross income from the sale of such animals to a research facility, an exhibitor, a dealer, or a pet store during any calendar year and is not otherwise required to obtain a license;

(iii) Any person who maintains a total of three (3) or fewer breeding female dogs, cats, and/or small exotic or wild mammals, such as hedgehogs, degus, spiny mice, prairie dogs, flying squirrels, and jerboas, and who sells only the offspring of these dogs, cats, or small exotic or wild mammals, which were born and raised on his or her premises, for pets or exhibition, and is not otherwise required to obtain a license. This exemption does not extend to any person residing in a household that collectively maintains a total of more than three breeding female dogs, cats, and/or small exotic or wild mammals, regardless of ownership, nor to any person maintaining breeding female dogs, cats, and/or small exotic or wild mammals on premises on which more than three breeding female dogs, cats, and/or small exotic or wild mammals are maintained, nor to any person acting in concert with others where they collectively maintain a total of more than three breeding female dogs, cats, and/or small exotic or wild mammals regardless of ownership;

(iv) Any person who sells fewer than 25 dogs and/or cats per year, which were born and raised on his or her premises, for research, teaching, or testing purposes or to any research facility and is not otherwise required to obtain a license. This exemption does not extend to any person residing in a household that collectively sells 25 or more dogs and/or cats, regardless of ownership, nor to any person acting in concert with others where they collectively sell 25 or more dogs and/or cats, regardless of ownership. The sale of any dog or cat not born and raised on the premises for research purposes requires a license;

(v) Any person who arranges for transportation or transports animals solely for the purpose of breeding, exhibiting in purebred shows, boarding (not in association with commercial transportation), grooming, or medical treatment, and is not otherwise required to obtain a license;

(vi) Any person who buys, sells, transports, or negotiates the sale, purchase, or transportation of any animals used only for the purposes of food or fiber (including fur);

(vii) Any person who breeds and raises domestic pet animals for direct retail sales to another person for the buyer's own use and who buys no animals for resale and who sells no animals to a research facility, an exhibitor, a dealer, or a pet store (e.g., a purebred dog or cat fancier) and is not otherwise required to obtain a license;

(viii) Any person who buys animals solely for his or her own use or enjoyment and does not sell or exhibit animals, or is not otherwise required to obtain a license;

(b) No person shall have more than one license.

(c) A license will be issued to any applicant, except as provided in §§2.10 and 2.11, when:

(1) The applicant has met the requirements of this section and §§2.2 and 2.3; and

(2) The applicant has paid the application fee of $10 and the annual license fee indicated in §2.6 to the appropriate Animal Care regional office for an initial license, and, in the case of a license renewal, the annual license fee has been received by the appropriate Animal Care regional office on or before the expiration date of the license.

(d)(1) A licensee who wishes a renewal must submit to the appropriate Animal Care regional office a completed application form and the annual license fee indicated in §2.6 by certified check, cashier's check, personal check, money order, or credit card. The application form and the annual license fee must be received by the appropriate Animal Care regional office on or before the expiration date of the license. An applicant whose check is returned by the bank will be charged a fee of $20 for each returned check. A returned check will be deemed nonpayment of fee and will result in the denial of the license. If an applicant's check is returned, subsequent fees must be paid by certified check, cashier's check, or money order.

(2) A license fee indicated in §2.6 must also be paid if an applicant is applying for a changed class of license. The applicant may pay the fee by certified check, cashier's check, personal check, money order, or credit card. An applicant whose check is returned by a bank will be charged a fee of $20 for each returned check. If an applicant's check is returned, subsequent fees must be paid by certified check, cashier's check, or money order.

(e) The failure of any person to comply with any provision of the Act, or any of the provisions of the regulations or standards in this subchapter, shall constitute grounds for denial of a license; or for its suspension or revocation by the Secretary, as provided in the Act.

(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 0579–0254)

The law is not even clear so I will call my State and these people (APHIS), depends if they consider a chameleon "exotic" also sounds like if you are going to breed and sell most animals you must be licensed.

Leroux2008 said:

okay I found this.....

Louisiana
Category: B*

Summary of Law: No person may possess bears, cougars, or non-human primates as "pets." If you possessed one of these animals prior to the passage of the regulation you are grandfathered in.

Is a Chameleon considered a non-human primate? 0.0

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Some are more human than any - non-human and maybe a few human primates. jmo

fluxlizard said:

yeah- lol sorry- you know, a primate just means monkey/ape kind of thing.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/primate

In my state at least, fish and game restricts its focus on native species and potentially invasive species.

Which is where it should focus.

If I lived someplace where licensing was required for breeding non-native, non-invasive lizards, I'd feel like I was living someplace a little too fascist and a little too anti-personal liberty and it would be time to move.

I actually used to live in a town where lizards over 30 inches had to be registered as dangerous animals. Which meant the pet shops selling baby iguanas were selling eventual potentially dangerous animals. Me and my iguana moved soon after I discovered this retarded law.

I don't even agree with lawn height laws... My sister lives in a neighborhood where vinyl siding is not allowed. I'd pull my hair out if I lived someplace like that.

That's just me though...

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I did and I moved.

Well Heres the facts, other than the big dogs on the block .were all keepers that breed our chams to carry on blood lines and preserve the locals from getting mixed,And if were lucky, we get to make a little cash for more chameleons! other that the single cham keeper. and share our sucess's with others.It a hobby!!