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Old 08-25-2011, 02:28 AM
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Cricket Crack & Other Pre-Made Gutloads?

Do they work in replacement to fruits/veggies or are they just a supplement?

I am trying to find better gutloading options, right now I am just using kale, carrots, oranges, and flukers orange cubes. Would be nice to just use a single gutload daily, but then who said keeping chameleons is easy work? lol
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check this stuff out has TONS of stuff in it bought 3x bags from kammer, Liddy and ED are aweseome. Not to mention the crickets love it, best gut load out there in my opinion. good luck,
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:52 AM
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check this stuff out has TONS of stuff in it bought 3x bags from kammer, Liddy and ED are aweseome. Not to mention the crickets love it, best gut load out there in my opinion. good luck,
Do you use that alone or do you still add in fruits/veggies?
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Do they work in replacement to fruits/veggies or are they just a supplement?

I am trying to find better gutloading options, right now I am just using kale, carrots, oranges, and flukers orange cubes. Would be nice to just use a single gutload daily, but then who said keeping chameleons is easy work? lol
We've talked about gutloading a lot lately on your threads but you're still not quite doing it right. Kale has a lot of oxalates, which bind up calcium so your cham can't use it. Oranges are okay, not great because they lack much nutrient value, and carrots are moderately high in oxalates too, so they're not doing you many favors unless you have a good balanced gutload. The dark leafy greens are essential because they have a good calcium to phosphorus ratio and you have to be mindful of those with high oxalates, like kale, or goitrogens.

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Good Wet Gutloading Ingredients: dandelion leaves, collard greens, mustard greens, turnip greens, escarole lettuce, butternut squash, carrots, mango, alfalfa sprouts, oranges, blueberries, raspberries, sweet potato, strawberries, hibiscus leaves and flowers, papaya

Good Dry Gutload Ingredients: bee pollen, alfalfa powder, kelp powder, brewer’s yeast, wheat germ, raw uncooked sunflower seeds, raw uncooked pumpkin seeds, hemp seeds, small amounts of whole grain cereals, spirulina algae, tortoise pellets

This chart tells you which ones to use as staples or just occasionally. Sandracham also has a recipe for making dry mix so you could do it yourself and make a big batch once and use it for a really long time.

The powdered varieties available are great, but you should always have fresh fruits and veggies as gutload as well for a well rounded, balanced vitamin and mineral variety to keep your cham healthy.

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Old 08-25-2011, 06:27 AM
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We've talked about gutloading a lot lately on your threads but you're still not quite doing it right. Kale has a lot of oxalates, which bind up calcium so your cham can't use it. Oranges are okay, not great because they lack much nutrient value, and carrots are moderately high in oxalates too, so they're not doing you many favors unless you have a good balanced gutload. The dark leafy greens are essential because they have a good calcium to phosphorus ratio and you have to be mindful of those with high oxalates, like kale, or goitrogens.

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Good Wet Gutloading Ingredients: dandelion leaves, collard greens, mustard greens, turnip greens, escarole lettuce, butternut squash, carrots, mango, alfalfa sprouts, oranges, blueberries, raspberries, sweet potato, strawberries, hibiscus leaves and flowers, papaya

Good Dry Gutload Ingredients: bee pollen, alfalfa powder, kelp powder, brewer’s yeast, wheat germ, raw uncooked sunflower seeds, raw uncooked pumpkin seeds, hemp seeds, small amounts of whole grain cereals, spirulina algae, tortoise pellets

This chart tells you which ones to use as staples or just occasionally. Sandracham also has a recipe for making dry mix so you could do it yourself and make a big batch once and use it for a really long time.

The powdered varieties available are great, but you should always have fresh fruits and veggies as gutload as well for a well rounded, balanced vitamin and mineral variety to keep your cham healthy.
I don't see any reason for you to be rude about this, saying "again" and boding statements was a little out there.

So why do companies, like the one above, sell premade gutloads if they don't work as advertised? You said Sandracham has a recipe for a dry mix, so what's the difference between that and what this company sells?

I guess I am going back to mustard greens for now, yet another trip to the grocery store this week just for Ziggy. I really wish I could just get the correct information from the start and not be misled.

I can't tell if some members juse overreact when it comes to gutloading, and if it really makes any difference. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on what is proper gut-loading. I can't imagine most members here keep bee pollen and or alfalfa powder onhand.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:36 AM
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Sorry but it seems like I've commented with the same answers multiple times on your threads. It can be a little frustrating to give good advice and watch people continue to ask the same question (not just you).

Kale is okay in moderation, but as your sole nutrient base it does have a lot of oxalates, which can cause problems. If you're rotating greens regularly then it is fine. You didn't mention that you are alternating greens. So it's okay if you don't use it very often, and it's better if you have other fruits and veggies that you're using with higher nutrient vale.

I didn't say anything about gutloads mixes not working. They're just not meant to be the sole and only gutload. Some of them may be used that way, but it is so much better to supplement it with fresh produce for a good variety of nutrients and vitamins. Bugs eat a lot of plants in the wild so you're trying to simulate that in your captive setting. You could eat chicken every day for every meal and live on it, but you would want to add in red meat or fish occasionally and veggies for a balanced meal. Same idea here.

Sandracham's recipe is there for anyone to use it so you can make your own instead of purchasing off a site. They all have different recipes with different ingredients and ratios. There isn't necessarily one correct way to make it so I was pointing out an option in case you wanted to make it yourself.
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Sorry but it seems like I've commented with the same answers multiple times on your threads. It can be a little frustrating to give good advice and watch people continue to ask the same question (not just you).

Kale is okay in moderation, but as your sole nutrient base it does have a lot of oxalates, which can cause problems. If you're rotating greens regularly then it is fine. You didn't mention that you are alternating greens. So it's okay if you don't use it very often, and it's better if you have other fruits and veggies that you're using with higher nutrient vale.

I didn't say anything about gutloads mixes not working. They're just not meant to be the sole and only gutload. Some of them may be used that way, but it is so much better to supplement it with fresh produce for a good variety of nutrients and vitamins. Bugs eat a lot of plants in the wild so you're trying to simulate that in your captive setting. You could eat chicken every day for every meal and live on it, but you would want to add in red meat or fish occasionally and veggies for a balanced meal. Same idea here.
My plan is to use a few (2-3) different types of gutload options each week, and switch to a different gutload the next week. This should help cut down on costs and give a variety to the crix.

Some of the items you mentioned (wet and dry) I have never seen in stores, such as dandelion leaves, alfalfa powder, bee pollen, etc. Where do you find stuff like that?

This week I plan on finishing off the kale, and adding in some mustard or collard greens, sweet potatoes, and some raw sunflower seeds, along with some of the flukers dry food and orange cubes for balance.
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My plan is to use a few (2-3) different types of gutload each week, and switch to a different gutload the next week. This should help cut down on costs and give a variety to the crix.
That is a good plan.
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I make my own gutload. Some or most of the items that Ferret mentioned can be ordered online from various sources. I'll warn you, it can be a little expensive based on the quantities you get, but you typically have enough ingredients to make enough gut load to last you for a looooonnnnngggg time. I breed my own crickets to a certain degree, and this last batch of gutload I made in October of last year and I still have enough of to last me probably another 5-6 months. I order my ingredients from www.bulkfoods.com. You can get the uncommon items such as spirulina, bee pollen, and kelp powder there. They have a very long list of good items for gut loads. Look at some of Sandrachameleon's blogs for ingredients lists and then compare it with Bulkfoods list. You'll find alot if not most or all of them there. Most of the items are rather pricey, and of course the larger the quantity you buy, the cheaper in the long run it will be, but it is still going to be an investment in itself initially. I have never ordered a premade gutload, I have always made my own, so you may want to just get an average of what you think you'll spend on a dry/powdered gut load in a given month or year, and compare it to what you'll spend ordering these items in relation to how much gut load the quantities you order will make you and how long it will last you. Keep in mind as Ferret mentioned, this is just pertaining to dry gut load- you'll need to have fruits and vegetables along with it regardless. Good luck.

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Yes you can use cricket crack and or bug burger to feed to your crix, just switch it up with your fruits and veggies.... They are good and the crux go crazy for it..... Sometimes I put some cricket crack and pit an orange for hydration .... hope this answers your question..... These two aren't bad to use and might helP greatly to giving a well rounded diet
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