Does also have sb the paper where from Klaver where the subgenus Trioceros was established ?

to Chris, eisentrauti or anyone else that knows... What journals or sources do you subscribe/have access to? I have access to many online sources through my university, but the searches I've done on reptile (particularly chameleon) subjects generally yield few results. Any info is greatly appreciated.

-Dan

I personally have made the same experiences as you. From my university I also don't get any access to such magazines
So I'm always on the search for friendly people like Chris who can help with such problems

Pure - I don't know about the process in herptiles and plecos, but know a considerable bit about it in plants and fungi. Quite a lot more molecular (DNA) work has been done in fungi than in most animals, because there are considerably fewer morphological features on which to base descriptions, but a big part of the process (and delay) is still in seeing whether the species in question has even been described before. A lot of nomenclatural confusion results when proper literature searches haven't been done, and the same organism gets named and described several times. One specimen may have been found, described and validly published - in 1872, in Kamchatka, by somebody publishing in a specialist Russian language journal of limited distribution. First, you have to even be aware to look at this journal, track down the article and, if necessary, obtain translation. Suppose you find your plant/fungus/pleco/lizard in Java. It matches the description of the 1872 Kamchatka specimen. Is it the same? - Historically, there's been a lot of trouble occasioned by European taxonomists calling things they found on other continents by European names because they looked similar, but in some cases species really do have worldwide distribution. Then there are some potential difficulties with DNA - at the time of description, species are supposed to have an associated "type specimen" deposited and kept for perpetuity where any researcher can examine it and make comparisons. For plants and fungi, these are usually dried specimens, and one can sometimes still obtain sequencable (albeit degraded) DNA from them; a pleco would likely be pickled in formaldehyde; lizards would be stored in a variety of manners (pickled; taxidermy specimens), none very friendly to DNA.
That's almost certainly more than anybody wanted to know, but I'm a taxonomy and nomenclature nerd. ("Nomenclaturists are a bunch of frusterated, lawyer-type people who accidentally ended up in science." Jim Groth, a onetime professor of mine.)

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Don't know if this link will work without signing in so if it doesn't I could email you a .pdf of the paper.
http://www.sciencedirect.com.libprox.../sdarticle.pdf

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Dan - Most Universities have online subscriptions to a lot of different journals, particularly Research I Universities. It really depends on the University. When I was at Cornell, there wasn't much I couldn't get. USF has less itself but if there is anything they don't have, I can fill out a request and they can get just about anything from anywhere. As an example, I wanted a copy of a paper published in 1828 in "The Transactions of the Royal Irish Academy" (probably wouldn't be called common) and it was delivered to me as a pdf within 3 days. There there are ever papers you are looking for, I'd be glad to try to help.

Benny - I do have Klaver & Boehme, 1986 but not as a PDF, only as a bound hard copy. It is pretty long (64 pages) so it wouldn't be easy to scan and make into a pdf.

Chris

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Oh, ok Chris. I don't know that. Do you know a way to get it as a hardcopy ?

Best regards

Here ya go: http://www.nhbs.com/phylogeny_and_cl...no_155360.html

Chris

Thanks Chris !