mychamtini112012
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Do we have these in the US.? They are super awesome! And show amazing colors. Just didn't know if we have them over here.
Ankify.? Nosy Vahila.?
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mychamtini112012
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No ones knows.? Anyone have them at all on here.? With pictures to share would be awesome. 
VeiledChams
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I've seen someone with an Ankify.. but never seen Nosy Valiha.. Some locales such as Nosy Boraha have never been imported to the US.
mychamtini112012
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Is there a reason why they haven't been.?
VeiledChams
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Its pretty darn expensive to bring animals here.. There isn't a really big market for animals which are very expensive. For example, Falys are quite expensive but are now CB here in the US.. a nice faly can go for about $300-400.. When I had a chance to bring tome Nosy Borahas, it was $1000-1200 for a possible pair. thats a bout 600-700 for just the male.
mychamtini112012
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True. I understand. But I want one of them over here so bad. Lol. They are amazing.
VeiledChams
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Yup, but you also gotta learn to see the beauty in other species or locales as well.. its not just coloration.. well, thats what I think.
yankfanthom
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I've been told by a little birdie some Borahas may be appearing stateside soon....
VeiledChams
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Jared (Cainschams) was going to import some.. idk if he still is.
yankfanthom
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I believe that is who I was told is supposed to. I've heard the same that it's too damn expensive for an import like that.
mychamtini112012
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I know. But I'm looking for something different. They are all beautiful and I'd buy them all if I could. But I was just looking at something unique over here.
coldbloodedAL
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I enquired about these guys, Im pretty sure the whole thing fell through.
Undertow11
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In my opinion, here's a breakdown of abundance/demand in the current US market:
Ambilobe - abundant / average demand, relatively low price
unless it's a full red-body with blue stripes (aka the spiderman, blue on red with little to no other colors involved)... these will fetch a higher premium.
Ambanja - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as ambilobe unless it's from the Dr. Gonzo line or another notable sire.
Nosy Be - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as above unless it's a spectacular blue...
Sambava - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as above unless it's from one of Kammer's famous lines.
Nosy Faly - becoming abundant / above average demand, price a little higher than those listed above... for now... Falys were a real premium until very recently... I feel like Falys are rapidly becoming more common in the US. There are some nice bloodlines available (anything from Raiden) that will still fetch a higher price, but I believe Falys will soon be as common as the locales listed above (though I could be wrong)...
Ankaramy - "the pink panther" rather rare / unsure of demand, price still rather high. I don't hear much about the Ankaramys, and there aren't many breeders who offer them, but I know there's a small market for them and they might be a good idea if you're looking for something "out of the mainstream"
Tamatave - rather rare / medium demand, price is average. Tamataves don't get the love that some of the above locales get, but they can be really pretty. Personally, I like them, but there are some people who shy away in favor of another locale. Special Tamatave bloodlines are hard to come by in the US and it's likely to stay that way for at least the immediate future... Anyone sitting on a nice breeding pair will likely reap the rewards because there are so few available.
Nosy Mitsio - rare / high demand, high price. Nosy Mitsios are rare in the US market. People are certainly trying to breed them, but so far, the bloodlines are limited and unlike Falys, the supply has not caught up to the demand.
There are a handful of additional locales, such as Nosy Boraha, Diego Suarez, Andapa, Masoala, Cap Est, etc... but you'll have a tough time finding them in the US (and there are some people that argue some of the locales are really just variations of other locales, ie. a lot of people consider Andapa to be a form of Sambava).
Anyway, hopefully that helps a bit.
And to be clear, this is just my opinion... by no means is it the final word on any of this... I'm sure there will be plenty of opposing opinions.
All of the above locales can be absolutely beautiful depending upon the animal... my favorite chameleon in my whole collection is a grouchy Nosy Be named Orlov. He's not as valuable or rare as some of my others, but he's a gorgeous blue and I wouldn't trade him for the world... and that's the best thing about chameleons, there's something for everyone
Ambilobe - abundant / average demand, relatively low price
unless it's a full red-body with blue stripes (aka the spiderman, blue on red with little to no other colors involved)... these will fetch a higher premium.
Ambanja - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as ambilobe unless it's from the Dr. Gonzo line or another notable sire.
Nosy Be - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as above unless it's a spectacular blue...
Sambava - abundant / average demand, price roughly the same as above unless it's from one of Kammer's famous lines.
Nosy Faly - becoming abundant / above average demand, price a little higher than those listed above... for now... Falys were a real premium until very recently... I feel like Falys are rapidly becoming more common in the US. There are some nice bloodlines available (anything from Raiden) that will still fetch a higher price, but I believe Falys will soon be as common as the locales listed above (though I could be wrong)...
Ankaramy - "the pink panther" rather rare / unsure of demand, price still rather high. I don't hear much about the Ankaramys, and there aren't many breeders who offer them, but I know there's a small market for them and they might be a good idea if you're looking for something "out of the mainstream"
Tamatave - rather rare / medium demand, price is average. Tamataves don't get the love that some of the above locales get, but they can be really pretty. Personally, I like them, but there are some people who shy away in favor of another locale. Special Tamatave bloodlines are hard to come by in the US and it's likely to stay that way for at least the immediate future... Anyone sitting on a nice breeding pair will likely reap the rewards because there are so few available.
Nosy Mitsio - rare / high demand, high price. Nosy Mitsios are rare in the US market. People are certainly trying to breed them, but so far, the bloodlines are limited and unlike Falys, the supply has not caught up to the demand.
There are a handful of additional locales, such as Nosy Boraha, Diego Suarez, Andapa, Masoala, Cap Est, etc... but you'll have a tough time finding them in the US (and there are some people that argue some of the locales are really just variations of other locales, ie. a lot of people consider Andapa to be a form of Sambava).
Anyway, hopefully that helps a bit.
And to be clear, this is just my opinion... by no means is it the final word on any of this... I'm sure there will be plenty of opposing opinions.
All of the above locales can be absolutely beautiful depending upon the animal... my favorite chameleon in my whole collection is a grouchy Nosy Be named Orlov. He's not as valuable or rare as some of my others, but he's a gorgeous blue and I wouldn't trade him for the world... and that's the best thing about chameleons, there's something for everyone
Kent67
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I've seen this statement a few times recently and it isn't true. They just haven't been imported recently.
VeiledChams
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I stand corrected.. I had gotten that info from when Jared was going to import the Borahas last year
mychamtini112012
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I also heard someone was looking at importing them.
NORChameleons
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My male Nosy Valiha, F1 and 1 year in the end of may.
I keep and have kept alot of different pardalis, but the yellow in Nosy Valihas is just something special. The colors really dont show up on my old camera, but I thought Id make a post as there are way to few pictures online of this type.
I keep and have kept alot of different pardalis, but the yellow in Nosy Valihas is just something special. The colors really dont show up on my old camera, but I thought Id make a post as there are way to few pictures online of this type.
Texas Ranger
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One thing you will notice is here in the USA some people really don't care about keeping the ambanja,ankify and Ambato as different locales which they are. And it is a bummer at the same time. My boy ranger looks like all the wc Ambatos out thereand I have gotten females for him that match that locale too. But it was very hard to do because all 3 locales are sold as ambanjas and if I was to sell rangers babies as anything other the ambanjas like what he looks like and his offspring look like the Ambato locale. I would get all kinds of heat and drama which I have enough of with my falys... The same goes for people that have breed and made ankifys locale .... It is just a shame but true that no one can post what they are without all these peoples opinions ,hateful pms and prove it attitudes
And as far as the Nosy Vahila go we have had them in the USA several times and people label and breed them as Nosy mitsios when they are 2 different locales .... Mitsios are have way more green....simply put at lot of haters and people would have to clean up there attitudes and do more research and hard work so we can start offering all the different locales. But there are a lot of smart mouth people out there that will probably never let this happen
And as far as the Nosy Vahila go we have had them in the USA several times and people label and breed them as Nosy mitsios when they are 2 different locales .... Mitsios are have way more green....simply put at lot of haters and people would have to clean up there attitudes and do more research and hard work so we can start offering all the different locales. But there are a lot of smart mouth people out there that will probably never let this happen
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