albino or 100% translucent chameleon

Is this possible for a full White cham? Either albino or just a pure white translucent?

None have been produced to my knowledge.

I have seen some very white looking chameleons, but I do not believe they were true albino. I'm assuming that the eyes would not be black, rather red so I do not think I've seen this yet.

someone posted a pic of a cham this is white - not albino - he has a few flecks of color I think, but when you look at him , you would say he is "white" -I THINK he may of been one of the imports that came in a few mos ago - but he is in the pic section someplace - but that would be about as close to white I think as you will ever see - if I can find the thread, I will link it back to here - he is a very unique looking cham

Well, if my nosy be who is 5 months old got really hot, he turns white, i have seen this only once when i took it to the vet and was in its cage, it got to hot and it was white as snow, scared me

Sana

Sanababit said:

Well, if my nosy be who is 5 months old got really hot, he turns white, i have seen this only once when i took it to the vet and was in its cage, it got to hot and it was white as snow, scared me

Sana

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no, this guy was just hanging out- he was not hot - let me see if I can find the thread

Powder coat

Pics of my panther that fires white w orange bars. He came in as Wc Tamatave.

This thread appears every 4-6 months. You are searching for the holy grail of chams. Whoever finds or produces one, may actually profit at this.

I kept a group of white chameleons once. Female Trioceros goetzei nyikae:

Trace said:

I kept a group of white chameleons once. Female Trioceros goetzei nyikae:

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I want some of these absolutely lovely looking

Why anyone would even want an albino cham (in a family whose color change ability and diversity of normal coloration is a big reason anyone keeps them) is beyond me. Selecting for such a mutation with the physical weaknesses it comes along with isn't doing the offspring any favors.

Now the T. goetze's natural white coloration is beautiful, but that's a whole different thing. Did these chams show any color shifts?

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Now the T. goetze's natural white coloration is beautiful, but that's a whole different thing. Did these chams show any color shifts?

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Absolutely! I’m not passing the T. goetzei off as anything but what they are. They are not a weird mutation or albino or blanched or anything. A lot of people seem to question whether there are white chameleons and because this species is pretty rare in collections, not many people know about them.

My guys definitely changed colour but they certainly don’t have a huge palette of colours like other Trioceros. Initially when I obtained the group they were more green in colour but as they aged became that white; all of them, not just that one specimen. Their main colours were white, green, brown and black depending on mood or temperature. They were pretty calm all around and I’m not a ‘hands on’ keeper in general so I didn’t get the flare ups of many other colours besides the white relaxed one.

Trace said:

Absolutely! I’m not passing the T. goetzei off as anything but what they are. They are not a weird mutation or albino or blanched or anything. A lot of people seem to question whether there are white chameleons and because this species is pretty rare in collections, not many people know about them.

My guys definitely changed colour but they certainly don’t have a huge palette of colours like other Trioceros. Initially when I obtained the group they were more green in colour but as they aged became that white; all of them, not just that one specimen. Their main colours were white, green, brown and black depending on mood or temperature. They were pretty calm all around and I’m not a ‘hands on’ keeper in general so I didn’t get the flare ups of many other colours besides the white relaxed one.

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Thanks Trace! I wasn't implying you were "passing them off" as anything. Such a neat almost pearl-like hue.

I wonder what environmental situation gave that particular coloration its advantage? There had to be something or those individuals might be more easily picked off as they aged. Maybe pale coloration of common bushes or tree bark? Interesting!

Oh, I knew that! No offence taken! I believe in education about chameleons so if I can bring something a little new to a discussion I will.

Seeing Trioceros goetzei in the wild is probably the highest thing to do on my bucket list. I do have some photos of them taken in the wild but I’m not sure I have permission to post them. The wild ones are more overall tan/light brown/green than mine but their life is certainly a lot more challenging than in captivity. As well, Colin Tilbury has some photos in his book Chameleons of Africa. I would love love love to work with these guys again. They are my absolute favourite species but I doubt we will ever see them again in captivity.

Here are some photos of them shortly after I obtained them. You can see the colour shift over a span of three years.

Male:



Female:

ohh Trace, those are beautiful !! so pretty

Here's my white devil.

Kinyongia uluguruensis male. Nasty creature.

There was a male jacksons photo once that was white but I don't know if it was albino. Can't find the link.

People that I know including my self are working on isolating the different color morphs that are associated with translucent veils. In other words a full pie ball veil Full hypomelanistic veil and of course full translucent. So in time maybe

Gorgeous trace! Such sweet faces too. Kath.

the reason i ask if there is such thing as a full white or albino cham is because i seen an albino cricket that day well feeding my animals like a full on albino it wasnt molting or anything it was snow white and bright pink eyes and it made me wounder why ive never heard of or seen an albino cham and trace those are BEAUTIFUL!!!